James Thomas wrote: The greenback in you pocket isn't evil in and of itself. Your right. Luke 16 13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. 14 And the Pharisees also, who were covetous, heard all these things: and they derided him. 15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. There is the given definition of that money aka mammon being spoken of in Luke 16 as well as 1 Timothy 6. The Pharisees and their ilk didn't serve God but their own works of the law aka self righteousness and were the coveters which Paul was referring to when he wrote this. 1 Tim 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. That which Paul once coveted he now called dung. (Phil. 3:8)
I didn't read the article, but the below seems to apply.
1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
What I am saying is there are certain facts that must be believed. They are not optional.
John UK wrote: Frank, fellow pilgrim and saint, you write with such excellency and depth of thought, on various aspects of the scriptures, I truly believe it would do you good to write a thesis entitled, "The Diverse Ways and Methods Employed by the Devil In his Attacks Upon the Word of God, From the First Reference in Scripture when he said, "Yea, Hath God Said", to the Present Day". There are many people today who do not even believe that the devil attacks the Bible, in order to overthrow their faith.
Yes brother, the devil will use anything at his disposal to attack the body of Christ. He will even use truth. By that I mean an unsaved person will speak truth and many will then think they are in the faith and be led away from further truth. That probably makes no sense, but remember I suffer from OMI.
The issue with me is not that someone prefers the KJV. The issue with me is when someone says that "all" more modern versions are from satan. That is obviously the position you take. You do realize that when the KJV was created it would have been a modern version,
Oh, no one who reads a modern version would ever say they are "onlyists" That phrase only comes with the KJV.
CCC 1478 - An indulgence is obtained through the Church who, by virtue of the power of binding and loosing granted her by Christ Jesus, intervenes in favor of individual Christians and opens for them the treasury of the merits of Christ and the saints to obtain from the Father of mercies the remission of the temporal punishments due for their sins. Thus the Church does not want simply to come to the aid of these Christians, but also to spur them to works of devotion, penance, and charity.
MS wrote: Thanks Frank for your post. I remember reading that comment that you mentioned and thinking this is the kind of nonsense that I have seen in far to many churches that we had attended. My elderly Dad recently came to the Lord and left the RC cult. He is attending a solid reformed Presbyterian assembly in his town.But gasp...they use the ESV.
Praise the Lord for your father's salvation. The older someone gets, the less likely that would be. I can testify that the older we get, the more fixed in our ways we become.
I have never really used the ESV, but I have only heard good things about it. I used to be in email contact with a couple of brothers that used it.
MS wrote: My point in posting is that there are a growing number of KJV elitists who border on idolatry of this version and would give the impression that one could not possibly be a saved individual if they owned and read another version. Very immature thinking and adding to the gospel of free and sovereign grace on their part.
I rarely enter into this debate anymore because it goes nowhere. So, this not me trying to prove anything to anyone. I use the NASB for study and post on SA using the KJV. I post using the KJV because I have nothing against it and I know there are several KJVOnlyists on this forum. What they do is discount anything that is not KJ and since it really doesnât matter to me, I do it that way.
Honesty on their part would say that all other versions are from satan and are counterfeits. Canât have it both ways. I remember Tim and I getting into a rather heated debate on that subject and it ended with him saying he could care less whether or not I used the Quran. And he meant that. He concluded because I didnât endorse the KJVO approach then I wasnât saved. Why else would he say I should read the Quran? There is no other translation where "onlyist" is attached.
They sell and barter favor with God; this is commonly taught as the selling of indulgences for the purpose of lessening the time someone must spend in purgatory and things like that.
Of course the real reason is simply to raise money for the incredibly wealthy Vatican to stay incredibly wealthy. Scripture teaches that salvation and all of Godâs blessing are simply a manifestation of His love and mercy and there is nothing that mankind can do to warrant or to earn His favor. Now that does not mean that we shouldnât worship, obey and honor God as our Lord and King, but if we do it to gain His mercy or even His favor, then we are saying it is not all of God and that Christs sacrifice was not quite good enough and when He said it is finished, He really didnât mean that. That is where the Catholics have entered into heresy; they believe it begins with God at baptism and then mankind must do their part. So baptism is all of grace, but then our eternal standing depends on man.
John UK wrote: It is time for him to seek the Lord.
I agree fully brother. This fellow is a charlatan and nothing more. I remember a time when I actually supported the charismatic movement and actually sent this fellow money. When he ran his condo scheme, my sister actually sent money to them to be able to use them. Of course that never happened since he was scheming the entire time.
When he got out of prison I also remember him saying that he had learned his lesson, but just look at him now.
Proverbs 26:11 As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
MsE wrote: Dear Lord, please let this turn out to be what it appears to be. To have a reversal of that ungodly Roe v. Wade law would cause a huge flood of joy as it would satisfy one of my deepest hopes and desires.
Amen MsE, What a wonderful thing that would be. Christians don't get abortions or promote them in any way, but the unsaved murder their innocent unborn children simply for convenience sake.
Diane wrote: Frank writes: In order for Christ to return, there must be a great falling away. IMO, this has been accelerating during my lifetime. Doctrines that are not socially acceptable are thrown to the side and replaced by something that is socially acceptable. Our culture is defining scripture instead of the other way around. So true! Itâs amazing how apostasy has increased so much since I was young. Here in the Bible Belt you have to search far and wide to find a preacher who speaks truth from Gods word.
Thanks for your agreement! I am 73 years old and all I can say is it is amazing how many changes I have seen in the Christian movement. Christians hate the word progressive but at the same time they accept the word of God as being progressive.
I live in Fla. If you are southern then we are close. Hope these tornadoes haven't affected you.
In order for Christ to return, there must be a great falling away. IMO, this has been accelerating during my lifetime. Doctrines that are not socially acceptable are thrown to the side and replaced by something that is socially acceptable. Our culture is defining scripture instead of the other way around.
If there is something you donât like, simply look around and you will find a church that will accommodate your thoughts.
âMostâ pastors are simply hirelings in my opinion. They preach what the congregation wants to hear and as long as they prosper and grow, then they justify what they are doing. Just like most in the secular workforce, they are more concerned about their salaries, health benefits and retirement.
For anyone who is offended by my thoughts, please remember I am not saying all are like this. What a wonderful thing it is to worship our Lord in spirit and truth!
Wayfarer pilgrim wrote: The photo looks like Trump is dropping off the foreign exchange student that lived with his family during last fallâs semester. Oh well, his sisterâs meaner, she might have had a hand in the recovery of her brother.
I just read an article about his sister and you may very well be correct. She might just be more evil than her brother.
God will judge this family righteously; that is for sure.
This is a very interesting and dividing issue. To me it is like the exercise of freedom of speech. Yes we have that constitutional right, but, it is illegal to yell fire in a movie theatre. So, the constitution gives a right, but puts restraints on it.
Now if someone wants to publicly worship as is also a constitutional right, what happens if doing that would result in the deaths of those outside of that worship group. IOW, would that be similar to yelling fire in the movie theatre?
I have also seen the police ticketing folks worshipping from their cars. Where is the logic in that?
I personally am a supporter of house churches. Perhaps that would solve all these temporary issues?
I do not believe that someone has to gather in a formal building to worship our Lord and Savior.