Maybe the violence and looting aspect isn't about what we are being led to believe. Maybe it's covid19 the sequel. The original worked quite well for conditioning purposes, and now that it is being put aside, though reluctantly, we have a sequel. There will be other sequels until the election, and if Trump wins, it will become a series.
John UK wrote: --- (53)Â Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. which is changed to anything which avoids actually eating his flesh or drinking his blood. You have to ask why Jesus did not put the Jews straight about their question, if he did not mean what he said.
Colorful language was used more in those days, John. They didn't have special effects, just words to grab hold of the listener. We have to ask, what was Jesus doing at the very time he said this is my body? Was he holding his body in his hand, or bread? His blood, or wine? So when he said this do in remembrance of me, the taking of the bread and wine was to be a remembrance of what he was about to do for them, i.e. the death of his body, and the shedding of his blood. They were to incorporate him into themselves completely, and them into him, that they be one in him.
Lurker wrote: No doubt you have no love of Trump as your bias shows in your nonsensical post. Trump didn't order Christians to return to churches.... he ordered states to lift the shutdown of places of worship..... to designate them as essential. Do you have a problem with that?
Maybe he thinks the various governors are God's people.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Covid-19 puts a ban on Catholic services on some Romish services in Nebraska ---
I get what you're saying, Jim, but Covid19 isn't putting the ban on anything. Control freaks are finding it useful as a political tool, though. Something not much talked about is that just being exposed to the coronavirus does not mean you'll even get Covid19, or if you do, that you'll have to be hospitalized, or if you are, that you'll have to receive intensive care. It's a long way to death's door from potential exposure.
It's a shame anyone thinks so little of humanity that they identify themselves or others by their skin color. It counts for nothing. White pride is racist. Black pride is racist. If you're a human, you get your value from being made in the image of God, not from the color he made you.
John UK wrote: It is only just today that I discovered John Calvin taught Receptionism to Presbyterian and Reformed rather than the Memorialism found among the Baptists etc. "The rule which the pious ought always to observe is, whenever they see the symbols instituted by the Lord, to think and feel surely persuaded that the truth of the thing signified is also present. For why does the Lord put the symbol of his body into your hands, but just to assure you that you truly partake of him? If this is true let us feel as much assured that the visible sign is given us in seal of an invisible gift as that his body itself is given to us." John Calvin
Jim Lincoln wrote: I should have added... While 80% of the people arrested in Minnesota for rioting etc., were from out of state [ https://tinyurl.com/ybdkw893 ] certainly not all of them not all of them were left-wing nuts but no doubt quite a few right-wing nuts as wellâť—đź‘Ž Far-Right Extremists Are Hoping to Turn the George Floyd Protests Into a New Civil War https://tinyurl.com/y76dr76f
Certainly. No doubt. It must be true, there's a link. Besides, how else can the left deny responsibility?
Jennifer Cunningham wrote: --- We have fought peacefully with no results, this is 2020 and we are still being lynched, how can you call yourself Christians and show no empathyâ€™s hope I forgot youâ€™re clueless
No, the clueless ones are those who see the murdered man George Floyd first in terms of his skin color, then as a human being, if that enters into it at all. The clueless ones are those who somehow justify burning down a building being built with 189 apartments for low income folks. The clueless ones are those who burn down their own neighborhood grocery stores. The clueless ones are those who justify stealing televisions as a response to the anger they supposedly feel about bad cops. Mindless, selfish, and greedy acts have nothing to do with racism.
A riot pandemic to take the place of the fading Covid19 pandemic? WHO says there is no evidence of human to human transmission of rioting. The Rioting, Pillaging and Burning Task Force issues "15 Days to Slow the Spread " recommendation. Let's have a Hug a Looter Day. We should limit rioter gatherings to 10 people. The CDC says smoke from burning buildings is bad for you. Symptoms include high temperatures, cough, and shortness of breath. Wearing of masks is recommended. The Surgeon General says Americans should not buy masks as they are not effective. Experts say their models are science based. Dissenting experts say their models are science based. There will be daily briefings to bring you updates. Stay safe.
Calling thugs, thugs, is uncivilized, Mr President. They are protesters, ok? They are opposed to racist buildings that aren't on fire. The real question is, are they wearing face masks and maintaining 6 feet of space between them. If not, what is their governor going to do about it? For some reason the media doesn't seem as interested in this mass defiance of executive orders limiting the size of gatherings, as they are in churches wanting to meet, or barbers wanting to give haircuts.
With Covid winding down, with Dem governors continually extending their emergency powers after the emergency aspect is gone, and resistance against house arrest growing, a new, but old theme is being resurrected. Crises never go to waste. Does anyone believe the rioters actually care about George Floyd the person?
Jim Lincoln wrote: excerpt from,"Divided Supreme Court Rejects Churches on Covid Restrictions" https://tinyurl.com/yd3gpdqx
So discrimination on the basis of the purpose of a meeting is ok? Pathetic. Again, Chief Justice John Roberts, who gave us "gay marriage" switches to the lawless liberal end of the court. Now the church understands the futility of suing a government in a government court.
It won't go over the heads of the rioters that it is Governor Walz, a Democratic-Farmer-Labor party guy, who is calling out the National Guard against them. Minnesota is reliably leftist leaning, consistently governed by the left end of the spectrum, meaning whole generations grow up there with a dependent and "we deserve" mentality. The best thing Trump could do is do or say nothing. Of course this is near impossible, but it is still the lefty guy who'll be remembered in this situation.
bible student wrote: persecuted countries dont gave people sueingvtheir govs because they will just get killed, so they choose to go illegal and underground. Which I also believe we christians should do. Do you think the Chinese are saying, â€ś oh the real Bible is illegal, ok lets read the fake communist version because we need to obey our leadersâ€ť? nope, well, the 3 self churches do
We aren't really persecuted in this country, and we still have a say in things, as we should. If a few dozen or a few hundred BLTQGXYZ types can turn a nation, couldn't a few hundred thousand Christians dig up their talents, set aside their fatalistic leanings and martyr complex, do more?
Is it a good idea to sue that they might be allowed to attend services? The concept of allow vs not allow in the matter of freedom of religion being determined in a government court is flawed for starters. It gives a credibility where one does not exist, by continuing an erroneously implied idea that that right is from government. It grants to the court, in effect, the idea that it is ok if they decide on an issue they have no authority to decide. It ends up putting the defensive burden on those doing the suing. How is that a good idea?
Democrat governors in general like control. They need it as much as a druggie needs a fix. Their lust for power is an addiction. Little of the special efforts to limit church meeting has anything to do with disease. They are just expressing their devil-directed anti-Christ attitudes. May their voters recognize the reality, and send them to retirement rehab. When does pleading with an addict to stop being an addict so you can live your life work? Care need also be taken when taking them to court, for neiither will it be useful if the judge is also a power addict.