Jim said: "They did not have a cultic view of their work!"
They also didn't have a hodgepodge of corrupted manuscripts to contend with.
And before somebody (Jim/Gil) says "The KJV translators only had a few manuscripts available", the ones the AV translators did have by and large agree with the majority of the ones (and partial ones) found since.
Jim Licoln, do you ever have an original thought? Have you ever posted anything on SermonAudio that you didn't copy from somewhere or someone else?
It would be interesting to be around 300+ years from now just to see how many people are interested in celebrating the anniversary of your NASB or any of the other Bible 'versions' that are on the market today.
If these people are truly convinced that there is no God, why are they spending (wasting) so much time and money trying to convince others that He doesn't exist? If He does not exist, why would it matter to them or anyone else?
"The gospel needs to be preached by men with the world at their back, the good book (AV) in their hand, and their face looking upward to heaven. These men should be grave, because their message is a message from GOD, and woe unto them if they have corrupted it or preached it in a lighthearted way. Mens' eternal destinies are at stake here. They perish or get saved!"
I'll preach the Gospel to anyone who will listen. Do you (Bryan) know anyone in the 'hip hop crowd' who is interested? How do you know that I haven't? What is it that makes YOU believe (no one else has insinuated that) that the hip hop crowd is in anyway inferior to anyone else here? We're all sinners.
Do you (Bryan) have anything intelligent or of substance to add to this thread or did you just decide to express your baseless disdain for those of us who do?
I'm always willing to help anyone, anywhere 'here' (I'm assuming you meant 'hear') the Gospel.
"We call music "Hymns" now but it would be naive (and arrogant) of us to believe that we are playing the same songs that were spoken of in Eph and Col."
Naive and arrogant? I would go so far as to say that I can tell you exactly the songs that were spoken of in those two verses: God's own inspired book of songs, The Psalms. That's all the church sang until centuries later when men like Gadsby and Wesley began composing man-made, uninspired hymns. Look up 'psalms, hymns and spiritual songs' in your Greek dictionary and lexicon. They were singing God's Psalms. Also, name me a hymn that was written 1500 years ago (other than the ones in Scripture).
You are arguing a weak point as far as I'm concerned because I don't have much use for most of the hymns we sing in church, either. Most of them are doctrinally questionable at best and many of them are downright wrong or silly. (But they are still far better than the mindless, repetitive, nonsensical 'praise choruses' that have become all the rage - mainly to line the pockets of the writers and entertain worldings). If I could find a sound church in my area that sang the Metrical Psalms unaccompanied by ANY instruments I would be on the front row every week.
Worship music isn't for us, it's for God - not our amusement.
"...the Bible doesn't mandate a specific type of Music at all. So whether it's Hymns or Hip-Hop I see no Biblical distinction."
See: Ephesians 5.19 Colossians 3.16
"And David seemed to dance around like "a drugged monkey rapping and rhyming" about the Lord quite a bit in Psalms."
Really? There is one instance of David dancing in Scripture: 2 Samuel 6.16 and 1 Chronicles 15.29 (two descriptions of the same event). If you are comparing this to what goes on in churches today, you are too misguided to be reasoned with. David wasn't trying to entertain or amuse anyone.
"...I do recall Paul challenging us to meet everyone where they are at in order to preach the gospel ...and "whatsoever you do, do all to the glory of God".
Where in Scripture do you find ANYTHING other than preaching to be used to share the Gospel? Should we also use pornography or dirty jokes 'to the glory of God' that some might be saved? What foolishness! Did Paul became a clown to 'meet others where they are'?
"If rap music (or any other music) is used from unrighteous purposes that is a result of the problem of living unredemed, but not the real problem itself at all."
Music born of pride and rebellion is ungodly noise. Pride & rebellion are what got Lucifer kicked out of heaven.
The responses on this thread (except for Frank's) are so sad for so many reasons.
Where does anyone get the idea that Christians are supposed to be entertained? Why would anyone believe that rebellious, beat driven, angry 'music' (rhythmic noise) is appropriate for worshiping God? If a 'cocaine dealer/addict' is attracted by a particular kind of so-called music, whether it be rock, rap, hip-hop or metal, is that really what churches should be using in their worship? Think about the absolute absurdity of that.
Where does anyone get the idea that music is supposed to be utilized in preaching the Gospel? Where is that in Scripture? Preaching is how we are to share the Gospel - not by jumping around like a drugged monkey rapping and rhyming. That is just plain crazy.
If I go to the doctor and after examining me he determines that I have a potentially fatal disease, am I going to take his diagnosis seriously if he brings in a rock band or a hip-hop group to jump around and sing his diagnosis to me? I would think he is crazy! A fool! Isn't the truth of a man's lost condition and the possibility of spending an eternity in hell MUCH more serious and crucial than a cancer diagnosis?
Entertainment is for the lost world. Sadly, it permeates most churches today.
"On the one hand, homosexual behavior should not be given special status or promoted as such by the government. On the other hand, the government has no business throwing them in jail."
I strongly disagree. Until recently, sodomy was illegal in most every state in America. It still should be.
Sadly, the sodomite community has used the power of the media, the dollar and political fear to blackmail our spineless politicians into changing the laws, not only making sodomy legal but making those who practice it into sacred cows and VIPs.
Sodomy is a crime against nature. It is indeed a heinous sin but even from a secular standpoint it ought to be illegal in any civilized society. It is a violation of the most basic law of nature: male & female. It threatens the health and fabric of a society. Those who practice it are not "born that way", they CHOOSE to commit sodomy and should not only be shunned but should be incarcerated if guilty.
Acceptance, toleration and now pandering to & celebration of sodomites is the norm in the U.S. We are about to pay a high price for our foolish rebellion.
You Know Who: That's exactly the kind of statement that makes people believe that KJV/AV supporters (and I am one) are a bunch of nuts.
I agree with you that the RC cult is the root of much trouble in the world but to suggest that SermonAudio is in cahoots with them is just silly. Dragging the defense of the KJV/AV into it makes it even sillier.
1. I find no record in Scripture of God destroying a nation because the people ate too much or smoked cigarettes.
2. I have never known of a sodomite to repent of their sodomite sin and be saved. That doesn't mean it can't happen (perhaps you know one) but I've never seen it.
3. God is destroying this nation, just as He has others, because of our toleration and now even celebration of sodomites. They should not be welcome in any real fellowship of believers until they STOP SODOMIZING EACH OTHER. Again, I have never known of that to happen. Instead, they want to join your fellowship and demand tolerance. I personally believe that Romans 1 indicates that these folks have jumped the fence.
Scripture makes it plain that God has a very harsh view of sodomite behavior and he is quick to place His judgement on it. Am I wrong? Show me. It's a sin He treats like no other.
I have always believed that God has held back His judgement upon the U.S. because there were was still a remnant of true Christians in it. Now most of our so-called 'pastors' ands their flocks are going the way of Jason Harper in the article above, pandering to devils, and we as a nation are about to suffer the severe consequences.