That last post is so terribly misguided and full of half-(non) truths that I wouldn't know where to begin! You have to be trying to yank our collective chain.

Have you ever read the AV? What in the world is it that you find so difficult to understand about it? I know grammar schoolers who have no problem at all with it.

I don't think King James had the audacity to place his own thoughts and notes on the pages of God's Word so the world could enjoy his opinion and interpretation like John McArthur does. I also doubt that he profited (in a BIG way like Ryrie & McArthur) from the sale of it. In fact, I believe the copious notes in the Geneva Bible contributed to the desire for a new translation (the AV).

My Trinitarian Bible Society Windsor Text Bible doesn't have anything on the cover except 'Holy Bible', 'Metrical Psalms' and 'TBS' at the bottom of the spine. It doesn't say anything about King James anywhere inside or out (other than in the Epistle Dedicatory) but if it did, I don't see the big deal. It just identifies the version (I personally prefer to refer to it as the AV anyway). I have yet to see an edition of the AV with King James' personal editorial notes and opinions anywhere on the page. Have you? In fact, I don't know that I have ever seen 'King James' anywhere on a TBS Bible. (I do, however, believe that Thomas Nelson or Zondervan would print 'Free Beer' on a Bible if they thought it would sell it.)

It wasn't my intention to say anything against dispensationalists. I mentioned it because those who are not dispensationalists usually have no use at all for that view. I didn't know whether you were or not but others reading this thread should know about Ryrie before buying his Bible. I'm kind of a semi-dispensationalist, I agree with some aspects of it but there are many areas that I just can't find in the Bible (like the pre-trib rapture).

"I was going to mention, I saw somewhere that the Trinitarian Society preferred the AV, and the joint project they had/have with SermonAudio, they of course used it, but they don't come down on people who use other versions."

Jim, you really need to expose yourself to a wider variety of sources for information than Gil Rugh. Every time I read one of your posts it reminds me of when Andy Griffith used to tell Floyd the barber; "Calvin Coolidge didn't say everything, Floyd".

The TBS doesn't 'prefer' the AV. They publish it exclusively and consider it to be God's Word in the English language. If you will take the time to investigate and read the plethora of articles that they offer (online), you will clearly understand why. They can also explain to you in great detail the problems with the modern versions. I suspect you will be surprised.

As for 'coming down' on anyone, you are correct. They are never critical of others for using modern versions but they can well explain the serious heresies of some of the men involved in the critical texts and translations. Kurt Aland in particular.

Biblicist is giving you wise advice.

If you are going to check out Jim/Gil's materials, please also take the time to listen to Malcolm Watts' and Graham Chewter's sermons on SA regarding preservation. You might also want to check out some of the EXCELLENT articles on the Trinitarian Bible Society website.

I am just saying that tithing is the ONLY thing that SBC churches seem to take a strong stand on without compromise. They insist that you are 'free in Christ' to do pretty much anything and everything else you please but you better not 'forsake the assembling of yourselves together' and you for sure better tithe (though I have yet to meet anyone who can show me where the Bible even vaguely suggests that Christians should tithe).

FBC Woodstock is one of the most worldly, show-bizzy churches in Atlanta. It's also one of the biggest.

"And horribly Satan uses unBiblical Calvinism (I would take it that you do know there is a wide range of Belief calling itself "Calvinism" some quite precious like that of CH Spurgeon and some wretched indeed like that of Fred Phelps) to do damage to the cause of the Gospel."

Tipster: Do you have children? If so, do you believe that God would have you send them into a Godless institution for training that basically denies He exists and tries in every way imaginable to seperate their affections from Him and your family?

Where do you get the idea that children as young as 5 or 6 years old are supposed to be missionaries? That is absurd. The early years are for training and for the children of Christians they are for training in Godliness. You cannot find that in a government school. In fact, what you find is just the opposite. United States government schools have become anti-Christ.

How are you (or I), as a responsible parent, going to train a child in the way he should go if he is being inundated and brainwashed all day every day for most of his young life by a humanistic, secular institutiion that is openly antagonistic and hostile to God and the Scriptures? (I'm referring to American schools but from what I understand Ireland is getting bad, too).

If you are a non-believer and don't care about your children's souls, by all means-send them into the government schools. That's a great place for them as long as they don't get shot.

"Mainly because high school students won't go to the effort of reading the much more accurate versions of the Bible, the ASV or Darby, because of the Elizabethan taint."

High school students won't read the Bible because most of them are not saved. That's mainly because most of them have been warehoused in a government controlled, godless, humanist indoctrination center for most of their lives. They have been coerced into believing that the Bible is a book of nonsense and fables so they have no use for it. Usually they openly ridicule it. That's the whole point of this thread, isn't it?

What do you think people read prior to the NIV's marketing driven popularity 20 years ago? The AV was for the most part all anyone had in their homes until the 1970s and no one seemed to be bothered by it. I personally suspect -and I do not mean this as a put down to anyone, simply an observation - that if someone is too dense or dumb to understand the AV they are probably too dense to understand the NASB ot the NIV also.

In most cases, it's probably just as Alan Foster wrote. Scripture is God's Word and is intended for His (regenerate) people. Unregenerate man probably is incapable of understanding the AV because unregenerate man, not being indwelled by the Holy Spirit, is incapable of understanding Scripture at all.

I know what God has to say about believers raising children. I've not only read it, I've done it. Certainly not perfectly but I've followed His instructions.

I also know what goes on in the government school system. It is a system that is doing EXACTLTLY what it was designed to do. Read the thoughts & writings of John Dewey and Horace Mann (and others). The government school system is not just neutral toward Scripture and the things of God. It is outright hostile to them! That's called anti-Christ. Is that what a Christian parent should desire for their child?

No Christian child needs to be handed over to Babylon for their education much less a system where they have to pass thru metal detectors to attend. The lies and humanism they are taught almost becomes incidental!