You can find the audio here: http://www.gracecathedral.org/cathedral-life/worship/listen/detail.php?fid=182

At the 38 minute mark of the interview, Rob Bell says, “I think we are witnessing the death of a particular subculture that doesn't work. I think there is a very narrow, politically intertwined, culturally ghettoized, Evangelical subculture that was told "we're gonna change the thing" and they haven't. And they actually have turned away lots of people. And i think that when you're in a part of a subculture that is dying, you make a lot more noise because it's very painful. You sort of die or you adapt. And if you adapt, it means you have to come face to face with some of the ways we've talked about God, which don't actually shape people into more loving, compassionate people. And we have supported policies and ways of viewing the world that are actually destructive. And we've done it in the name of God and we need to repent."

At the 42:30 mark Bell is asked what he thinks about same sex marriage; he answered, “I am for marriage. I am for fidelity. I am for love, whether it's a man and woman, a woman and a woman, a man and a man. I think the ship has sailed and I think the church needs -- I think this is the world we are living in and we need to affirm people wherever they are.”

If he has no other confessional creed, Rob Bell clearly holds dogmatically to the popular secular creed, “If you can’t beat em, join em.” This is the creed of many pragmatic apostates that have gone before him. The foundation of Rob’s ongoing error is found in his Love Wins heresy. Rob doesn’t believe the Bible. Love doesn’t WIN, Jesus WINS! Homosexuals and lesbians don’t WIN, Jesus WINS! Heterosexual fornicators, drunkards, and liars don’t win, Jesus WINS! All those who love the Lord Jesus Christ will be in Heaven under God's love forever. All those who love their sin (including homosexual and lesbian sin) will be in Hell under God's wrath forever. To love Jesus you must repent of (turn from) and stop loving your sin. The Lord Jesus said:

"He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him... If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him." (John 14:21 & 23)

The Apostle Paul provides a list of "unrighteous" non-winners who make a false profession of loving God, who will not find entrance to Heaven and God's eternal love:

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Cor 6:9-10)

Do not be deceived! Fornicators, adulterers, homosexuals, lesbians, drunkards, and idolaters like Rob Bell will not inherit the kingdom of God (Heaven). Unless they repent, their certain future is Hell. Rob Bell is a deceiver. He offers up an idol (a false God) who is not Holy, does not judge sin, and does not “command all men everywhere to repent” (Acts 17:30). He is offering up a false Gospel that negates the necessity of repentance of sin. Worse yet, Bell is negating the sinfulness of sin altogether thus negating both the need for repentance and the need for the Savior. He continues to prove out his apostasy.

Rob Bell’s supposed “homosexual Christian” friends are found hanging out in a very bad neighborhood in Leviticus. Not only is homosexuality forbidden and declared to be an “abomination,” it is stuck smack in the middle of the “perverse” neighborhood of child murdering idolaters and bestiality. There is nothing “Christian” in that neighborhood, and if we are to be a true friend of anyone living there we must call them to repent and to move out before God’s eternal wrath comes!

“And you shall not let any of your descendants pass through the fire to Molech, nor shall you profane the name of your God: I am the Lord. 22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. 23 Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion.” (Lev 18:21-23)

Despite Rob Bells objections, the very real and just “wrath of God” will be the end of all those who do not repent of engaging in these perversions and promoting them. That includes Rob Bell himself. In fact, promoting homosexuality and lesbianism under the guise of being a Bible believing pastor will WIN Rob Bell even greater judgment. Bell has set himself up as an enemy of Christ, His Gospel, and the souls homosexuals and lesbians who desperately need to hear the call to “repent and believe the Gospel.” If love (not eternal judgment) is truly going to WIN the day, SIN must be exposed and REPENTANCE must be preached.

The following portion of God’s Holy Word reveals who Rob Bell is, who his “homosexual/lesbian Christian” friends are, and what their end will be if they do not repent.

“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness… For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.” (Rom 1:18 & 26-32)

Rob Bell is an unloving, perversion promoting, idolatrous, God hater who writes books, speaks from church podiums, and is trying to co-produce a whole new television show that will lead people astray from the one true God and genuine salvation through repentance of sin and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. May the Lord grant him repentance. May the Lord protect the church from his deceptive books and teachings. May the Lord rescue men and women from the sins of homosexuality and lesbianism through repentance and faith. That is the only way that LOVE WINS. Outside of repentance and a genuine confession of Christ as Lord, WRATH WINS. It is Heaven or Hell. It is Love or Wrath. One does not negate the other. Either way, the Lord Jesus Christ wins as eternal SAVIOR, or as eternal JUDGE. JESUS WINS!

“But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Rev 21:8)

“when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power.” (2 Thess 1:7-9)

Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, And you perish in the way, When His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him. (Ps 2:12)

In John Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress, Christian faithfully warned his fellow citizens of the "City of Destruction" that God's just wrath was coming, and then he departed for the "Celestial City." Obstinate and Pliable went after Christian mocking him for a fool and calling him to return to the good "City of Destruction" with them. Among other evil characters in the story, Rob Bell is masterfully playing the role of Obstinate in his mockery of Evangelical, Biblical Christianity, and the true Gospel. May God's Grace keep us from becoming Obstinate's foolish sidekick, Pliable. We are experiencing a coming out party for many apostate "Obstinates" who have long toyed with heresy "Hath God said?" but are now openly heretical "God hath not said!" We must expose and appose apostates, not dialogue with them, not pander to them, not entertain them, and certainly not follow them to destruction.