And changed
the glory of the uncorruptible God

into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

As man is made in "the image of God" Gen. 1:27
transhumanism fits this Romans 1 condemnation..

Besides...given the complexities, what are the odds improvements could occur? The silly lie of random mutations evolving upwards, relies on ignorance of 4 dimensional gene structure,etc.

Peter Stoner

For example-

looking at 8 prophecies of Christ- the chances that

" one man in how many men, the world over, will fulfill all eight prophecies? This question can be answered by applying our principles of probability. In other words, by multiplying all of our estimates together,..".."This gives 1 in 2.8 x10 to28th power,where 28 means that we have 28 ciphers following the 2.8. Let us simplify and reduce the number by calling it 1 in 10to 28thWritten out this number is 1 in 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.
"
Division by conservative history of people on earth thru all history is 1 chance in 10,000,000,000,000,000 -
Peter Stoner goes on to show that the evidence equals ontological certitude :
Math confirmation of the Risen Lord's authority&reliability.

This use of math distills intuition to show the authority of Christ-the Lord of creation - who warns against men's corrupt plans.

there has to be wrote:
a far more profitable use

That being so, it is not unreasonable to anticipate mathematical phenomena in God's written revelation as well as in His natural creation. The full nature of any possible mathematical description of the Word, however, is yet undiscovered. All we can do at present is to note occasional instances where particular numerical relationships emerge to the surface -- from some underlying substratum of mathematical structure which has not yet been identified and explored."

Dave wrote:
incredible sequence and chain sequence of #s

Though that isn't from Missler.

the target audience for this variety of inquiry?
Math geeks.

[URL=http://www.khouse.org/articles/1995/102/]]]Evidence of Design : Panin cited on #s[/URL]

The first 17 verses of the Gospel of Matthew are a logical unit, or section, which deals with a single principal subject: the genealogy of Christ. It contains 72 Greek vocabulary words in these initial 17 verses. (The verse divisions are man's allocations for convenience, added in the 13th century.)

The number of words which are nouns is exactly 56, or 7 x 8.

The Greek word "the" occurs most frequently in the passage: exactly 56 times, or 7 x 8. Also, the number of different forms in which the article "the" occurs is exactly 7.

There are two main sections in the passage: verse 1-11, and 12-17. In the first main section, the number of Greek vocabulary words used is 49, or 7 x 7.
.,,
It continues. Panin's book :

started talking about this after
1st post
Hoggard transhuman exposé
--
I pulled out a few refence bibles ( I changed over to non-commentary Bibles about 20yrs back because of finding flaws in works like
Companion Bible , etc.
some of them tell how many times word appears- and a few point out patterns that look like design .

This math genius had a heptatic structure study.

http://achristiananswers.blogspot.com/2011/04/hepatic-structure-in-bible.html?m=1

Ivan Panin Isn't deriving any meaning from the # 7 but shows design. As does the Reg Kelly link below on SA.

I don't even trust Strong's anymore.
# of Jesus there is 2424

Re:Hoggard ; he doesn't need to count words - his church member writes free software that gives the # of times words occur automatically!
# shows on any search!
(I haven't 'Tried ' the software)

But that would
not
give the strange
' 888 ' =Jesus. I see where that is from: both Hebrew & Greek were letter = # systems. ( this was before Arabic numerals-even pre-zero.

Hoggy Fan wrote:
[URL=http://www.levendwater.org/books/numbers/number_in_scripture_bullinger.pdf]]]Numbers in scripture:Bullinger Book[/URL]

Bullinger citing a corrupt source :
THE TALMUD !!!
Yikes!
Should put your guard up.

So!That's why Hoggard never references Bullinger!he always likes to count things out for himself.
Bullinger:
"
? 888 is the number or gematria of the name "JESUS."
"
Heard that from lots of preachers- is this the source?

Jesus vs Pharisees & Scribes re Misnah &Talmud was a "pastor Mike Online " subject a few years back.

"Count the number" is still a command ;
but skip Talmudic gematria.
Rev 13:18

Can't be wrong intrinsically to count when that command is there.

angel proceation view wrote:

Quote of Connie cited by Get Real in her first post :
June 12 2012 at 11:46am
from Get Real's link:
http://bibleconundrumsandcontroversy.blogspot.com/2012/03/mike-hoggard-anti-apostasy-teacher-or.html

So this teaching : that Get Real says is evil : is taught by the exact person Get Real cites to diss Hoggard.
Weird.

Also in Connie's 1st paragraph she says
" He also teaches a lot about the Masons and other occult teachings. It is good for people to be made aware of these things. In short, a great deal of what he teaches is good for people to know. " which is why Hoggard pulls out Pike(mason's guru)-to warn of Mason lies.
but Get Real twists this to Using Pike positively..

weird again..

Get Real wrote:

1. Pike is vilified regularly by Hoggard: anyone who listens to him knows that.

2. Counting the number of times something occurs and relating it to structure is an accounting practice :Bullinger has the greatest examples of this & this is as far as Hoggard goes.
Either you don't know this and post in ignorance?
Or you don't know what gematria is( vastly different- and specifically taught AGAINST by Pastor Hoggard)
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=420151429532]]]Numbers do not lie: Hoggard on # Patterns[/URL]

3.Hoggard's many messages refuting Hebrew roots as heresy:
[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?speakerWithinSource=&subsetCat=&subsetItem=&mediatype=&includekeywords=&exactverse=&keyword=Mike_Hoggard&keyworddesc=Mike+Hoggard&currsection=sermonsspeaker&AudioOnly=false&SpeakerOnly=true&keywordwithin=Roots&x=5&y=3]]]Hoggard rebukes Hebrew roots on SA[/URL]

4 you have not listened to the 1st post message that specifically teaches against Serpent Seed lies :
your first post decried that doctrine
& implied it is taught by Mike
: the Exact opposite is true.

Ha! Just listened to this. PASTOR Mike is up to date!
Good listen