"If Time rag mag knows it, how then can it be considered a 'secret'. Comments by Time such as, "The Vatican SEEMS to be part of their strategy", makes a mockery of the title "Iran's Secret Weapon". One wonders what SA's purpose is to put such trash in front of people who can't understand that the bible teaches to 'love your enemies' not teach hatred and fear of them. Did Christ say, "Blessed are the Peace Makers" or did SA have that removed?"

Scripture also says "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" (Galatians 4:16)

Don't you think it important that the Iranian ambassador says this: "The policy of the Holy See is important throughout the whole world." Especially in light of Revelation 17. The Vatican wants temporal and spiritual supremacy. That has always been Rome's approach.

"We made a mistake. What we should have done when people crossed the line of faith and become Christians, we should have started telling people and teaching people that they have to take responsibility to become 'self feeders.' We should have gotten people, taught people, how to read their Bible between services, how to do the spiritual practices much more aggressively on their own."

What does he mean by "the spiritual practices"? If, as I understand, Willow Creek is oriented towards the Roman Catholic Church, this may not be so much an admission of being wrong about being seeker-sensitive, but that the Protestant Church needs to adopt "old practices" like auricular confession, mystical practices and other medieval Catholic rituals.

We look externally and God looks internally. As proof, how old was Adam when he was "born"? Did he "look" only seconds old? From our perspective he would appear to be a grown man (I suspect) when in reality he would have just been created. Did he have a "history"? Did he have to learn to talk? Did he have to learn to hear God? We see all these things from a fallen perspective, but in the beginning, things were different. So I can see YEC and OEC.