Frank wrote: Brother and fellow pilgrim, I have a rather odd way of looking at something that our Lord has predestinated. Example, the antichrist will in fact be on this earth at the exact moment in history that it was predestined. So, even though that is Godâ€™s perfect plan, I will not willingly participate in it. So, if this happens with Biden, then nothing can stop it, but I will not vote for him. If God is orchestrating Biden to be president, then I canâ€™t stop that, but I wonâ€™t be a positive factor by supporting. I never ponder predestination and simply leave that to Him. And I know that all things will work for our good and for His glory. The below says I will not understand certain things and IMO predestination is one of those things. Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law. This probably made no sense; sorry. Just the musings of an old man. OMI
Now then Pilgrim, you know I am no theologian, so I only throw these things out in hopes of being put straight by someone like yourself. And I thank you very much.
Frank wrote: Now for a little conspiracy thought. I think that everyone knows that Biden is senile and cannot possibly complete his first term. So the real push will be to remove him from office due to his mental condition. Then we can say we will have first black female as president. This is all a well thought out plan.
What a thought! Still, at least we know God ordained it before they planned it. Or is that stretching sovereignty and predestination too much?
Dr. Tim wrote: Amen, UPS and JUK. Hobby horses may be fun to ride, but they donâ€™t take you anywhere. The practitioners of glossalia will concentrate on one chapter of scriptureâ€”which, incidentally, they misinterpretâ€”and virtually ignore the other 1,188 chapters. Proponents of baptismal regeneration use six or eight verses to â€śproveâ€ť their case, and disregard hundreds of verses that disprove it. And the diehard Sovereign Gracer will put three ounces of Bibleâ€”and that often rewritten because the old trusty KJB refuses to play along with themâ€”on their side of the scale and turn a blind eye to the fifty pounds of Bible on the other side. Itâ€™s vital that we study the whole Bible and just let it say what it says, not what we think it says or what we wish it said.
My dear old thing, really I must protest this post.
You say that in the Bible there is the equivalent of 3oz worth of dubious proof texts for sovereign grace teaching, and 800oz worth of proof texts for what? Free will theology?
That means for every verse produced by a sovereign gracer, you have 266.66 recurring verses to prove the opposite. Nay, even an arminist would never claim such a thing. You ought be ashamed of yourself.
Today I am raising an inward cheer for Pastor John MacArthur. I sincerely hope that multitudes of pastors will follow his lead and do the same thing. JESUS is head of all things to the church! It is time to put that into practice instead of merely paying lip-service to it.
Frank wrote: Well said brother! The antichrist will need the support of women and since I believe the Vatican is the great whore in Revelations, this doesn't surprise me. I remember as a youth praying to Mary so she would tell her son to do what I asked. They taught that no son would refuse his mother's request. They have always supported the female deity concept so this doesn't surprise me.
Fellow pilgrim, whenever you mention this period of your life, it always causes me to rejoice that you were ever delivered from the Romans. I've not spoken to a great many papists, but the ones I have spoken to show an incredible bondage to what they were taught at an early age. They also seem to relate to the priest almost as if he was God, with power over their lives. Such terrible brainwashing, and then to be told that their children are born Catholics, thus continuing the process.
Dr. Tim wrote: To whom should we preach the gospel? To everyoneâ€”Mark 16:15. What will happen when we preach the gospel to everyone? Some will get savedâ€”Romans 1:16, Acts 28:24. What will happen if we preach the gospel to a lot of people? A lot of people will get savedâ€”Ecclesiastes 11:6, II Corinthians 9:6. What is the gospel? The vicarious death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christâ€”I Corinthians 15:1-4. What will happen if we donâ€™t preach the gospel, but instead sit around and argue about it? The same thing that happens Sunday after Sunday in most churches: not a blessed thingâ€”Revelation 3:1.
So true, Doc. And many churches will close down on account of it.
A vision of who Jesus is, and what he has done for lost souls, and how much he loves people, goes a long way in motivating us into taking the glorious gospel into all the world and seeing him reap the reward of his suffering and being satisfied.
2 Corinthians 5:14-15 KJV (14)Â For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: (15)Â And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
Well here's proof positive that keeping church and state separate is imperative. God's people are free, and they are still free, even if imprisoned.
God bless the underground church, and cause it to grow and prosper in every way. May your enemies be scattered and come into confusion of mind, frightened by the rolling of a brittle leaf along the pavement. Hallelujah!
The pope has given the credit card to six women. Not a good move, your popiness. But then, whatever you do will never be in line with the will of God. The antichrist can do nothing of any good on this earth.
Romans 9:30-33 KJV (30)Â What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. (31)Â But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. (32)Â Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; (33)Â As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
It is a wonderful passage of the word of God.
I am a Gentile though a child of Abraham, having like faith.
I followed not after righteousness; never tried to be righteous.
I have attained to righteousness, the righteousness of God which comes by faith.
I have believed on Christ, though he is a stumblingstone and a rock of offence.
This is what the text is saying. I have not mentioned the why's or wherefore's because they are not mentioned in the text. If I wanted to expound on the works of God in the conversion of a sinner, I would choose a different text that explained that.
The only safe place for a believer is to accept all of scripture and not become unbalanced.
Adriel wrote: Yes I take your point. It's just that I can't get it out of my little brain that the virus in its original form was created by God. Admittedly sin has changed it from being in a 'good' form to a 'bad' form, - thus the connection with God is broken at that point. A very testing phenomenon? anomaly? I wonder what everybody would say if MacArthur died of Corona virus in a few weeks time?
Brother, is this following scenario possible:-
Isaiah 53:4 KJV (4)Â Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
I checked a lot of different Bibles and the word we translate 'griefs' in the KJV, is variously translated in other versions:
griefs, sicknesses, suffering, infirmities, weaknesses, troubles, pains, illnesses, and diseases.
Isaiah 53:5 KJV (5)Â But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Maybe the imputation of sicknesses to Calvary could save Johnny Mac and a whole lot of others, if there was faith to believe it.
Adriel wrote: ... John; Is MacArthur "tempting" God on this one?? Not even Christ would try that!!
Adriel, I do not believe so, for the simple reason that there is no level playing field. Therefore, there is something amiss. When the apostles were beaten and told to cease preaching the name of Jesus, they ignored the ungodly and did what the Lord Jesus told them to do. He is after all, a higher authority.