Dr. Tim wrote: John UK wrote: â€śWell they got their country back in 1948, but I'd like to see something a bit more special, such as national repentance and an acceptance that Yeshua is Christ. That would make me sit up and take some notice.â€ť
Well, looks like youâ€™re in luck, John. Thatâ€™s exactly what you WILL see at the end of the Tribulation.
Dr Timotheus wrote: And John doesnâ€™t celebrate the Fourth of July. Instead, his nation celebrates Dydd Santes Dwynwen, which is totally incomprehensible to me, as Saint Dwynwen is the fellow who drove all of the possums out of Wales.
Ahem, Saint Dwynwen is a lady, patron saint of lovers like Saint Valentine. So she would have loved possums. But I don't know if she was regenerate or not. The Lord knoweth them that are his.
I've not seen a possum ever. Is that when a sheriff gets together a band of men together to go chase after a crook, having temporary authority?
Imagine simultaneous earthquakes in every country of the world, along with associated psunamis, hurricanes, severe flooding, forest fires everywhere, the heavenly bodies shaken et al. The alarm clock ought be sounding by now, "It is time to seek the Lord, today, not tomorrow, today is the day of salvation. If ye hear his voice harden not your heart, but turn to him in penitence and faith in Jesus Christ, and pray this prayer after me: "God be merciful (propitious) to me, a sinner!"
The blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ, God's Son, is your only hope, and it is the only hope you need. There you find an atonement for your sins, pardon, and peace with God. Therefore "be ye reconciled to God" and become a new creature in Christ Jesus, born of his Spirit and washed in his blood, set on your way to heaven, redeemed by the blood of the Lamb. Hallelujah and Amen!
Well they got their country back in 1948, but I'd like to see something a bit more special, such as national repentance and an acceptance that Yeshua is Christ. That would make me sit up and take some notice. Otherwise - zilch.
Frank wrote: 1 Corinthians 5:6 â€śYour glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?â€ť
Compromising the word of God is simply dummying down the gospel of our Lord. Our churches and the gospel are being defined by our culture instead of the other way around. All who cooperate with this apostasy are guilty before the Lord.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Those who know that I no longer formally attend a church probably donâ€™t realize just how much I am against change that compromises the word of God.
Matthew 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. 26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Hi Chris, I agree, the answer will not be found within the charismatic and pentecostal groups. Rather, in the Bible itself, the word of God.
1 Corinthians 12:27-31 KJV (27)Â Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. (28)Â And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. (29)Â Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? (30)Â Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? (31)Â But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
Paul here tells me again that such gifts as healings or working miracles were not confined to apostles; nor were they on-demand gifts, but given by the Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:11 KJV (11)Â But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
That is, as the Spirit wills.
Paul also tells me that all these gifts are not given to one man, but divided up. ___________
Mike NY, thank you for contributing bro, I accept your explanation of the passage, and it still has not come to pass, eh?
Christopher000 wrote: John, only have a minute, so can't look up any scriptures right now, or say as much as I'd like, but cessationists base their claim on the gifts ceasing and failing on Paul's words: "...when that which is perfect is come". Personally, I think the interpretation is subjective, but applied as being, The Christ, the perfect one, the redeemer, and His incarnation, in this case.
Hi Chris, yes the text is:
1 Corinthians 13:8-10 KJV (8)Â Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. (9)Â For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. (10)Â But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
To say that "when that which is perfect is come" relates to the completed canon of scripture is, to my mind, stretching it, wresting it, getting it to say anything other than what it clearly means.
What I am needing is a clear biblical statement for that position known as cessationism.
That is, biblical rather than logical or pragmatic.
Thanks for your answer Tim, it is most helpful. I especially love the last sentence concerning the gifts still given to the church members (as the Spirit wills), as we find in Romans 12:4-8.
The main difficulty I have is when you say that the "sign gifts" went out (for the most part) with the apostles, yet here in 1 Corinthians 12 we have an apostle telling the other disciples in the church about spiritual gifts given to them (to any of them) and including what could be described as "sign gifts" such as 'faith', 'gifts of healing', 'the working of miracles'.
So a couple of things come to mind. 1. The gifts involving miraculous events were not limited to the apostles and could be given by the Spirit to anyone in the fellowship, and 2. With such being the case, where in scripture do we find that these gifts to any church member ceased?, or 3. Ought we to see these gifts still, in the Christian church, and the reason we do not, is because we are not believing they are for today?
BTW thanks for your testimony regarding the Spanish. I have experienced the same thing but only in mine own language, when the Spirit enabled me to witness in a most supernatural way.
Dr. Tim wrote: Some will, of course, say that it doesnâ€™t mean what it says, or that it isnâ€™t â€śapplicableâ€ť (funny, I thought II Timothy 3:16 taught that ALL scripture is applicable),
Dr Tim, help me out here, as I am currently looking at the applicability of scripture, especially passages like this.
1 Corinthians 12:7-11 KJV (7)Â But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. (8)Â For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; (9)Â To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; (10)Â To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: (11)Â But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
Is there anything here, which we ought not to apply in today's church? Or can we go for the full house application?
It's not a trick question, it is perfectly serious and something I am currently working on. Thank you. P.S. Thanks for the Lev 1 text.
We know that the created angels were divided by war. Some became what we call devils (KJV). There are thousands of devils. One is called Satan, but he is just another fallen angel.
James 4:7 KJV (7)Â Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
It doesn't say in the text whether or not this is Satan, but it makes no difference to what we do. It is a person, which is known by the fact that "he will flee from you" when resisted.
So why is it that I said it was THE devil?
1 Peter 5:8-9 KJV (8)Â Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary THE devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: (9)Â Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.
I hope this text answers your question, concerning whether or not the devil is bothered with us little men in the faith. Sure, if you do nothing for the kingdom of God, he will not bother with you. But if you are determined to serve the Lord Jesus, he will have you down for a visit, to cause you to backslide. Peter in v9 tells us to "resist him", which shows that he most certainly will attack at some point.
Adriel wrote: James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
Note to the unwary,
In this text, God does not say to resist temptation; he is not talking about doctrine; he is not saying to gouge out an eye or cut off a hand. God says that in other places.
But here, God is talking about a real, living foe, an evil being known as Apollyon, or Abaddon; the devil and Satan, the Prince of the power of the air.
What shall we do? Tremble before him and ask the Lord to deal with him? Take fright and run away? Is this what your pastor says? Don't get involved?
What saith the scripture?
RESIST THE DEVIL!
And if we resist this extremely powerful fallen angel? What then?
Oh, it will be he that runs away!
But don't forget to be fully submitted to God first, and don't be frightened to invoke the name of Jesus: Command the devil to depart, in the name and by the authority of Jesus Christ. And he will FLEE FROM YOU. Hallelujah!
Remember these words. You may need to do this one day.
Mike wrote: Maybe the descendants of ancient Britons who got pushed west into Wales and Cornwall by the Germanic Saxon invaders could seek reparations from Saxon descendants. Let's see how far silly can go.
I'll settle for a Model T with a V8 engine - in black. Thank you.
Frank wrote: Good morning brother! You and I both know that polls can be manipulated to say what we want them to say.
Yep, and life without polls would be much better and more real. I do prefer the real world rather than this virtual-thingy they keep coming out with.
Mind you, not that I like the real world, as it is, excepting those marvelous things that Jesus created for himself, things of beauty and wonder, including intricate butterflies and mountains and so on. And then there is the spirit of the world, which he most certainly did not create, and which he does not love, and which he tells us not to love...."love not the world..."
But when it comes to truth or feigned truth, then give me truth any day of the week, even if it is unpalatable. It's like when the doctor tells you about your tests, what will he do? Well how about just telling it like it is? How long have I got? Is it cancer? Just tell me. Why are they so shy about it? The garage mechanic isn't shy when he finds that your auto-box is shot. He just gives you a quote, and that's it. Get it repaired or scrap the car.
Manipulated polls get the thumbs down from me, bro.
Dr. Tim wrote: â€śMadderâ€ť is right, John; the world has been mad for some time. Ecclesiastes 9:3 says, â€śThis is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead.â€ť In other words, theyâ€™re crooked, theyâ€™re crazy, and then they croak.
Thanks for the text, Dr Tim, most apt. It sounds to me like a preacher's three pointer, the three C's. I know a Brethren brother who sometimes uses that approach, he will say, "Today we look at the four P's."
As one who has dabbled a bit with watercolour painting, did you know there is a hue called Rose Madder? It is a subtle pink, and very popular, especially with floral artists. But it is never used nowadays in permanent works of art because of its trait in fading very quickly. In this it is very similar to the deep, dark crimson, Alizarin Crimson, probably the most popular crimson colour of all time, but extremely fugitive, and can fade to nothing after a few years. Both colours have been replaced by modern synthetic, long lasting colours like Permanent Rose and Perylene Maroon.
The world is going mad. Well, madder than it was before. Well no, on second thoughts, there was once a time when God looked down upon men and saw in their hearts only evil, and that, continually. And so he decided enough was enough, and killed everyone in the world except eight souls whom God used to replenish the earth, and from whom we are all descended. That was quite drastic, but still nothing compared to what will happen at the second advent of the Lord Jesus Christ, when sinners will prefer to be crushed by rocks rather than have an encounter with The Word.