Saint James, that is a mighty interesting post concerning the interpretation of Mark 16:18. Thank you. The original serpent was the devil; some of his followers are called serpents - as you rightly say - and this could be what Jesus was referring to. In which case, the statement is not out of fashion, as if only the 12 apostles had this power over serpents.
But then you have the tricky dilemma of the latter part of the text - 'they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover'.
It doesn't seem likely that Jesus would restrict the first part of the text to apostles and the latter part to everyone.
And then you've also got the problem of 'them that believe'. Who are these, from whom we should expect signs? The apostles who believed? Or all the people who believed the apostles?
Mark 16:17-18 KJV (17)Â And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; (18)Â They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
No, if any are to be out, it must be all out, or none out.
The number of the elect will not go up, no matter how much tribulation God sends on the earth. And worldly sorrow will always be a part of a man's makeup. The unregenerate will always seek a way to ease his pain, and if religion helps, he will engage with it.
But only the elect will turn in repentance to Jesus Christ, seeking forgiveness and a new life in HIM. cf. 2 Cor 5:17
Dr. Tim wrote: I interpret it to be applicable to the apostolic era. Todayâ€™s alleged faith healers are invariably fake healers. Not that God no longer heals people in response to the prayer of faith, but the charlatans who practice â€śhealing,â€ť tongues, slaying in the spirit (I dare not capitalize spirit as they do and thus blaspheme deity) are deceived at best, and deceivers at worst.
Dr. Tim wrote: Mark 16:18â€”They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. I just have one thing to say to so-called â€śfaith healersâ€ť: If you wonâ€™t shake a snake, youâ€™re a fake.
Youth in Asia wrote: So there is a national holiday dedicated to the death, burial, and ressurection of Jesus Christ, and you want it to stop? Next time someone says why the western culture is in apostasy, I will point fingers at YOU.
You ought not point your fingers at Mr Spurgeon like that.
If anyone would care to take the trouble to research the history and read the scholarly inspections of, the corrupt ms called the Sinaiticus, it will inevitably lead them to further study of the unregenerate men involved in the creation in 1881 of the Revised Version, which was a stepping stone to all other modern corrupt versions of the Bible in English.
Oh, and another good thing to do, while you're at it, is to make an intense study of liberalism within the Church of England. Check out the literature of such men, especially their Bible expositions, and convince yourself that they did not know Jesus Christ, they were never justified through faith, they were unregenerate and deceived impostors, and to respect them as having any authority in the matter of Greek texts is showing a lack of wisdom. Drs Westcott and Hort come under this category, men whom I have no respect for.
Neil wrote: John, I suspect this lack of concern about Catholic idolatry, even among Bible-thumping Fundies, started in the UK with the recidivist Oxford Movement, and in the USA with doctrinal decline starting at Harvard on one hand, and mass immigration from Catholic Italy and Ireland on the other, which diluted the cultural influence of Protestantism in addition to its basic apostasy.
Thanks Neil. I'm glad there are others who are living in the real world, and who recognise decline when they see it.
The expression, "The grass is always greener...etc...etc."......
.....applies also in the case of Bible manuscripts and translation. Silly people seem to think that one day there will be a translation in English which satisfies them. They live their life (a bit like many charismatics) always waiting on something going to happen when God does some new thing.
What a waste of a life. Always waiting, never doing.
Hey, you've got a King James Bible. Read it and do exactly what it says, even if others think you a fool. It is the word of God. Obey God, obey Jesus, obey the voice of the Spirit. Get your doctrine from the Bible. Get your church structure from the Bible. Get your separatism instruction from the Bible. Get your meat from the Bible. Get your drink from the Bible. Get your marching orders from the Bible. Get your worship hymns from the Bible (the Book of Psalms). Get your sanctification from the word and the Spirit. Get going with Jesus and never look back.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Might be because not in area dominated by Catholics or Europe but don't hear much of "Holy Week" here and according to my research Pancake Day occurs before Ash Wednesday (again not big in my area) not during this week, just a fyi.
Bro US, I'm glad someone is alert and wide awake, while everyone else is sleeping soundly during Holy Week (or busy putting up decorations, making Easter eggs etc.).
Pancake day (known as Shrove Tuesday) occurs 47 days before Easter Sunday and is the day before Ash Wednesday. Coming into Lent, the idea is to use up all those rich ingredients by making pancakes and eating them.
According to many, today is Holy Tuesday of Holy Week, otherwise known as Pancake Day. We are in the midst of the Great Ecumenical Movement's big week of the year, which culminates in the crucifixion of our Lord Jesus Christ, which no ecumenist understands nor believes in as a substitutionary sacrifice for their sin; it is merely another religious event in the middle of other religious events.
The Great Ecumenical Movement loves this sort of thing, Holy Week, when they can make preparations and have plenty of pomp and ceremony, rather than a biblical expression of the church, which is made up of people who have died to sin, washed in the blood of the Lamb, and are now living their lives solely for their Lord, Jesus Christ the Righteous, denying self, taking up their cross daily, and following him.
Personally, I believe the Great Ecumenical Movement is a mighty wonder to behold, and extremely powerful, like a massive spiritual vacuum cleaner, sucking in denominations all over the world and conforming them to its practices, none of which are biblical. I believe it is a masterpiece of Satan, designed for the endtime apostasy of christendom.
Unprofitable Servant wrote: Hey John thanks again for your kindness during our discussion and if itâ€™s any consolation my preacher shares your thinking. God bless
Brother, and I thank you also for your willingness to talk together with grace and Christian love. It is a good testimony to the world that two believers can disagree without seriously falling out. Come the end of the day, we both want what our Lord wants.