In thinking a bit deeper
The ANTIDOTE for Deception is found in: Giving more earnest heed to the things we have heard (that which God Himself tells us in Scripture), lest we drift away.
This will wonderfully affect us in having a genuine fear of the LORD, to treat Him as Holy, to not be led astray from the simplicity and purity of devotion to Christ - to fervently pray in faith in agreement with the will of God (not mere wishful thinking) - AND to be about the Great Commission
And of course so very much more that has to do with being a faithful disciple of Jesus Christ.
Whistle Dixie wrote:Ooohh No! MikeBy this same judgment, Moses, Isaiah, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and what about Paul too??? They were ALL sinners too??? Can we trust ANY part of the Bible??? Good job you are an arminian, at least you can contribute to your ticket!!!
Psalms ONLY wrote:The SEED of all this modern musical heresy is hymns written by men and women sinners.If the church would stick to the hymn book written and approved by GOD Himself then this seed would not have grown into the liberal human effort which we see today.GOD's Hymnbook is in the Bible and is called the Book of Psalms.Do YOU believe the Bible? or do you too want to rewrite it?
You may feel justified in never taking the name of the Savior on your lips when engaged in worship, but there are many "Christians" who would feel undone to be denied that name in Christian songs.
Whatever sympathy I may have had with the Psalms only movement has turned to deep suspicion that this is movement is born of the Devil to further divide the churches from the main issues to hand!
Psalms Only wrote:[URL=http://www.psalm-singing.org/]]]Psalm Singing[/URL] You forgot John "only God is good"
You forgot John "only God is good"
Thanks awfully for giving me the opportunity to hear some psalm singing. When the web has calmed down a bit I'll have a listen.
Now as to the other point.
You're not Mr Badman are you? I mean, I know God is inherently good, and we by nature are inherently bad; but surely you are converted to Christ and are indwelt by his Spirit, producing the good fruit of the Spirit, evidenced in a holy life, complete with good works, which God foreordained that you should walk in them?
Mike wrote:Who, by the way, was also a sinner who wrote and sang songs.
They were ALL sinners too???
Can we trust ANY part of the Bible???
Good job you are an arminian, at least you can contribute to your ticket!!!
Psalms Only wrote:Reject this particular Book of the Bible if you want Mike. But tell me do you also seek the rewrites of the other Books, eg the Gospels or the epistles etc?No!Just this one Book of the Word of God - the Book of Psalms - you remove from worship that you may change and use the theological ideology of sinners.Oh well Mike, I pray that God will excuse you and the other objectors to His Word.
Mike wrote:Oh what piffle. Here's one of those sinful slippery slope seeds:
Oh well Mike, I pray that God will excuse you and the other objectors to His Word.
Psalms ONLY wrote:The SEED of all this modern musical heresy is hymns written by men and women sinners.
"Praise ye the Lord, the Almighty, the King of creation!O my soul, praise Him, for He is thy health and salvation!All ye who hear, Brothers and sisters, draw near;Praise Him in glad adoration!
Praise ye the Lord, who o'er all things so wondrously reigneth,Shelters thee under His wings, yea, so gently sustaineth!Hast thou not seen How thy desires e'er have beenGranted in what He ordaineth?
Praise ye the Lord, who with marvelous wisdom hath made thee!Decked thee with health, and with loving hand guided and stayed thee;How oft in grief Hath not He brought thee relief,Spreading His wings for to shade thee!
Praise ye the Lord! O let all that is in me adore Him!All that hath life and breath, come now with praises before Him!Let the Amen Sound from His people again:Gladly for aye we adore Him."
Amen.
John UK wrote:Be a good fellow and stick up a site from where I can download some psalm singing to listen to. It's so rare in the UK I've only experienced it once, and then it was a mixture with hymns.
John UK wrote:Thanks DJ for that linkCHS says a lot in short space
*Mike* | New York --
A little more about 2 Cor 12:16 and Paul "using GUILE"
The KJV, the NASB, & the NIV translations do NOT make the verse clear. Surprisingly, better translations come from ...
"But granting that I myself did not burden you, I was crafty, YOU SAY, and got the better of you by deceit." (ESV)
"But granting that I myself did not burden you, I was crafty, YOU SAY, and got the better of you by guile." (RSV)
"Some of you admit I was not a burden to you. But THEY STILL THINK I was sneaky and took advantage of you by trickery." (NLT)
Check out Matthew Henry and a few other commentaries!
Be a good fellow and stick up a site from where I can download some psalm singing to listen to. It's so rare in the UK I've only experienced it once, and then it was a mixture with hymns.
John UK wrote:I remember in 1980 shortly after my conversion, being invited to an evangelistic "do" at the local Town Hall. Organised by another local evangelical (modern) church, the program was mainly a live rock band (heavy metal) who were suposed to be singing about the gospel. Sure the words had a religious theme, but it was pure entertainment. I thought, "This is just the sort of scene I've been saved 'out of' and now they want me to 'get back in it'. Devilish! Needless to say, I did not attend another one.
If the church would stick to the hymn book written and approved by GOD Himself then this seed would not have grown into the liberal human effort which we see today.
GOD's Hymnbook is in the Bible and is called the Book of Psalms.
Do YOU believe the Bible? or do you too want to rewrite it?
DJC49 wrote:Please read the entirety of what Spurgeon had to say on the subject by clicking on the following link:[URL=http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/Church/Spurgeon.htm]]]Feeding Sheep or Amusing Goats?[/URL]It's VERY short and will take you all of 2 minutes to finish reading.
I remember in 1980 shortly after my conversion, being invited to an evangelistic "do" at the local Town Hall. Organised by another local evangelical (modern) church, the program was mainly a live rock band (heavy metal) who were suposed to be singing about the gospel. Sure the words had a religious theme, but it was pure entertainment. I thought, "This is just the sort of scene I've been saved 'out of' and now they want me to 'get back in it'. Devilish! Needless to say, I did not attend another one.
Mike wrote:Paul wrote:2 Cor 12:16 "But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile."I guess guile would fall into the category of fooling. Perhaps it's ok, as long as not accompanied by amusement?
I guess guile would fall into the category of fooling. Perhaps it's ok, as long as not accompanied by amusement?
This passage is SO FAR from being friendly to the exercise of guile, that it is a manifest disavowal of it. IT IS AN IRONY. The Apostle does not describe what had ACTUALLY been his conduct, but that of which he STOOD ACCUSED by the Corinthian teachers! They insinuated, that he was a sly, crafty man, going about preaching, persuading, and catching people with guile. Paul acknowledges that he and his colleagues did indeed ‘persuade men,’ and could not do otherwise, for ‘the love of Christ constrained them.’ (2Cor 5:11,14) But he indignantly repels the insinuation of its being from mercenary motives. ‘We have wronged no man,’ says he, ‘we have corrupted no man; we have defrauded no man.’ (2Cor 7:2) Having denied the charge, he shows the ABSURDITY of it!
The theatre or movie house or now the combined in the home..the huge plasma screen TV.
An example of two great preachers:
'A very serious matter concerns the amusements engaged in by professing Christians. I see it publicly stated, by some who call themselves Christians, that it is good for Christians to attend the theatre, so that the tone and character of the productions may be improved. The suggestion is about as sensible as if we were bidden to pour a bottle of lavender water into the main sewer to improve its aroma.'
'Such has been the moral condition of the theatre for many a year that it has become too bad for mending''It has not been my lot ever to enter a theatre during the performance of a play'
'If theatre-going became general among professing Christians, it would be the death of piety. Yet one finds the taste for such things increasing on every hand.'[URL=http://www.middletownbiblechurch.org/christia/spurgeon.htm]]]C H Spurgeon[/URL]
Then this blog:
[URL=http://shepherdtheflock.com/2007/09/30/church-history-spotlight-george-whitefield-part-1/]]]G Whitefield[/URL]
What think ye-read both links?
DJC49 wrote:I found this interesting quote by C.H. Spurgeon online:"AN EVIL IS IN THE PROFESSED CAMP OF THE LORD, so gross in its impudence, that the most shortsighted can hardly fail to notice it during the past few years. It has developed at an abnormal rate, even for evil. It has worked like leaven until the whole lump ferments. The devil has seldom done a cleverer thing than hinting to the church that part of their mission is to provide ENTERTAINMENT FOR THE PEOPLE, WITH A VIEW TO WINNING THEM."Don't you find it amazing that Spurgeon wrote this way back in the 1800's?----
Paul wrote:2 Corinthians 12:16 "But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile."
"AN EVIL IS IN THE PROFESSED CAMP OF THE LORD, so gross in its impudence, that the most shortsighted can hardly fail to notice it during the past few years. It has developed at an abnormal rate, even for evil. It has worked like leaven until the whole lump ferments. The devil has seldom done a cleverer thing than hinting to the church that part of their mission is to provide ENTERTAINMENT FOR THE PEOPLE, WITH A VIEW TO WINNING THEM."
Don't you find it amazing that Spurgeon wrote this way back in the 1800's?
Please read the entirety of what Spurgeon had to say on the subject by clicking on the following link:[URL=http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/Church/Spurgeon.htm]]]Feeding Sheep or Amusing Goats?[/URL]It's VERY short and will take you all of 2 minutes to finish reading.
(And you thought the "6 Flags Over Jesus" phenomenon was something of only recent vintage, right?)
BTW, ... The last 2 sentences of his short article reads:"The need of the hour for today's ministry is believing scholarship joined with earnest spirituality, the one springing from the other as fruit from the root. THE NEED IS BIBLICAL DOCTRINE, SO UNDERSTOOD AND FELT, that it sets men on fire."
Help me out wrote:I read that Wikipedia webpage and it mentioned nothing of Peru or Mexico or Japan or North America. If I had to go by what was written on that webpage, then it seems that I can not read Acts 2:5 in a strict, literal sense. So perhaps "Neil" was correct in that the phrase in Acts 2:5 ("every nation under heaven") does not mean literally every nation under heaven.
If I had to go by what was written on that webpage, then it seems that I can not read Acts 2:5 in a strict, literal sense. So perhaps "Neil" was correct in that the phrase in Acts 2:5 ("every nation under heaven") does not mean literally every nation under heaven.
Historic wrote:Perhaps you need to look at [URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora]]]The Old Testament Diaspora.[/URL]
Help me out wrote:Now does anyone want to tackle Peru or Mexico or Japan or North America in regard to Acts 2:5?("Every nation under heaven?")
So we can assume that "missionary" zeal was alive and travelling way back in those times.
