John Yurich USA wrote:...the Creed states "WE BELIEVE IN ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY SON OF GOD"...
"And, behold, they cried out, saying, What have we to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time?" Mt 8:29
"Saying, Let [us] alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God." Mr 1:24
"And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God." Mr 3:11
"And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not." Mr 5:7
"Saying, Let [us] alone; what have we to do with thee, [thou] Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God." Lu 4:34
"And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking [them] suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ." Lu 4:41
See also Lu 8:28
Alan H wrote:John Yurich USA, Can the Roman Catholic Jesus deliver you from your sins? If so, then you are still a Roman Catholic, in spite of what you have testified before. That explains why you still refuse to leave your church. John, take your Bible, if you have one, and compare the true Jesus of the Bible with the teachings of the Roman Catholic church. If you are sincere, you'll soon discover that they are not the same person but the RCC's Jesus is impotent and can't save a single soul without the direct aid of both Mary and the Pope. If he needs any help whatsoever, he is not the Jesus of the Bible. The Jesus of the Bible is God manifest in the flesh and who will offer Him aid...
John Yurich USA wrote:It is totally illogical to state that the RCC believes in and worships a false jesus. The Creed states "WE BELIEVE IN ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY SON OF GOD", which means that the RCC has always believed in and worshipped the BIBLICAL AND HISTORICAL JESUS. Only someone who has mush for brains and is incapable of logical and analytical thinking would state that the RCC believes in and worships a false jesus.
Can the Roman Catholic Jesus deliver you from your sins? If so, then you are still a Roman Catholic, in spite of what you have testified before. That explains why you still refuse to leave your church. John, take your Bible, if you have one, and compare the true Jesus of the Bible with the teachings of the Roman Catholic church. If you are sincere, you'll soon discover that they are not the same person but the RCC's Jesus is impotent and can't save a single soul without the direct aid of both Mary and the Pope. If he needs any help whatsoever, he is not the Jesus of the Bible. The Jesus of the Bible is God manifest in the flesh and who will offer Him aid...
Alan H wrote:John Yurich USA, What the Jesus of the Bible did, He did —once—. Not so, the Roman Catholic Jesus.
Alan H wrote:but I think it applies to many others besides just those in the Roman Catholic Church.
Michael Hranek wrote:Alan H wrote:Or dead, as portrayed lying in his mother's lap...Mike wrote:Not surprising. Jesus is not allowed the resurrection, for he is always portrayed as still on the cross, continually being crucified.Mike NYAlan H Washington State These are excellent comments and tell much.Oh! If Roman Catholic people only knew the Holiness of God and how to portray Him falsely or less than and different than how He truly is, is such blasphemy it ought to break their hearts they have so sinned against Him and bring them to cry out for forgiveness and mercy.
Mike wrote:Not surprising. Jesus is not allowed the resurrection, for he is always portrayed as still on the cross, continually being crucified.
Mike NYAlan H Washington State These are excellent comments and tell much.
Oh! If Roman Catholic people only knew the Holiness of God and how to portray Him falsely or less than and different than how He truly is, is such blasphemy it ought to break their hearts they have so sinned against Him and bring them to cry out for forgiveness and mercy.
"These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether [such an one] as thyself: [but] I will reprove thee, and set [them] in order before thine eyes." Ps 50:21
All false religions have this common feature "false notions about God." And it seems many are drifting away from the truth back to superstition and darkness.
Alan H wrote:Or dead, as portrayed lying in his mother's lap...
Alan H wrote:John Yurich USA, What the Jesus of the Bible did, He did —once—. Not so, the Roman Catholic Jesus. He is continually re-sacrificed. It is very evident that the reason for this is because His sacrifice is thought to be insufficient or incomplete by the Roman Catholic Church.---
What the Jesus of the Bible did, He did —once—. Not so, the Roman Catholic Jesus. He is continually re-sacrificed. It is very evident that the reason for this is because His sacrifice is thought to be insufficient or incomplete by the Roman Catholic Church. Also, the Jesus of the Bible is not changed into a wafer, worshipped in that form, and then consumed and swallowed. This is blasphemy.
"Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people’s: for this he did —once—, when he offered up himself." Heb 7:27
"Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in —once— into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption [for us]." Heb 9:12
"For then must he —often— have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now —once— in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself." Heb 9:26
"So Christ was —once— offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation." Heb 9:28
"For Christ also hath —once— suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:" 1Pe 3:1
Anglican wrote:Are you kidding? You might can disagree with Rome, but the way you set up the survey it is full of loaded questions.
So do they hold to Jesus Christ as God Himself identifies and reveals Him in the Bible...or do they kind of give Him a "make over" to fit what they want Him to be? I have heard of some denominations infamous for ordaining homosexuals are the Anglicans one of these? Or is that a too loaded question.
DisplacedMaritimer(Bert) wrote:Yes, God is completely soverign. However, He decided, for whatever reason, to give us free will. He wants us all to be saved but He will not impose His will on anyone.
We must not confuse "free will" with "ability". Before the fall, man was free to do good or evil and could do either. But after the fall he could do only evil. So although he has free will, he does not have the ability to do good. With the entrance of sin into the world, he lost the ability to do good, but can only do evil continually.
"And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." Genesis 6:5
"And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done." Genesis 8:21 (after the flood)
Sinful man cannot do anything to cause his deliverance or redemption.
"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:44
John UK wrote:#1 Let me tell you Michael what I believe about this. The more a person gets closer to God himself (in actuality, I mean) the less he will consider his 'own' repentance and faith. Indeed, he will disown them as regards any merit. He would flee from them both to Christ, who alone can save. Without God predestinating me, I would be lost forever, for in me dwelleth no good thing.Secondly, distortion. I don't think I mistake 'who' God is. Any distortion would be concerning his character. Such distortion can be arrived at through reading the Bible, as well as literature, either reformed or arminist. And yes, I do believe there is need to repent. And I believe there is need for someone to show forth the character of God in their life. After all, this is what Christianity is about, eh? But how I fail! Jesus did it perfectly!
WayneM wrote:Bert,Let me ask, do you think God is completely sovereign? If God is in complete control and "wanted" everyone to be saved, how could His will be thwarted? If God is completely sovereign, how would be possible for anyone to not be saved if He "willed" that every single person be saved? After all, is God in control of the world or is He not? Doesn't the Bible teach God is omnipotent?
Michael Hranek wrote:And with Calvinists/Reformed repentance and faith aren't quite good enough to them they need Predestination (their version of it that is)....... So are you all Calvinists/Reformed committing the same kind of sin the RCC is infamous for in distorting who God is to fit your own religious beliefs? Do you need to repent? Think about it.
So are you all Calvinists/Reformed committing the same kind of sin the RCC is infamous for in distorting who God is to fit your own religious beliefs? Do you need to repent? Think about it.
Secondly, distortion. I don't think I mistake 'who' God is. Any distortion would be concerning his character. Such distortion can be arrived at through reading the Bible, as well as literature, either reformed or arminist. And yes, I do believe there is need to repent. And I believe there is need for someone to show forth the character of God in their life. After all, this is what Christianity is about, eh? But how I fail! Jesus did it perfectly!
Are Calvinists (and the Reformed) immune from following what the RCC has done in making for themselves a "god" they call God in the image they want God to be?
Essentially less than, more than, different from who God Himeself in Scripture shows Himself to be with a "gospel" subtly different from what was preached in the Book of Acts and taught in the Epistles.
Kind of like with Catholics Jesus isn't quite good enought they need "Mary" the Queen of Heaven.
And with Calvinists/Reformed repentance and faith aren't quite good enought to them they need Predesination (their version of it that is).
Come on, come on, didn't the Apostle John tell believers to guard themselves from idols? Why would the Spirit have moved him to ever write such a thing to us except that believers need to guard ourselves from idols both different gods and making God Himself out to be who we want Him to be to fit our own desires and agenda etc.
