TS wrote:The idea to produce and publish a new Bible in english was already before the British Parliament - BEFORE James succeeded to the throne, (ie Elizabeth's reign).The idea to produce an English Bible had been going for centuries eg the Venerable Bede in the 7th century began one. Then there is Wycliffe, Tyndale etc etc.Luther and Calvin and others were ordained by GOD to begin the Reformation and bring the REAL: Church into existence, *The Protestant Presbyterian Church.* Amen. The KING JAMES BIBLE does not have accuracy problems. The only changes ever required by the KING JAMES BIBLE were mainly printing and spelling with a few textual changes. [URL=http://www.angelfire.com/la2/prophet1/kjv2.html]]]KJV. Myths on changes[/URL]
Which country?
Fat Guy wrote:"Maybe the King of England "used" the KJV issue to seperate himself from the Pope through the establishment of the anglican Church inorder to deify himself (legitimacy), just like Calvin and Luther used the scriptures to legitimatize a political movement, hence the dead state church movement. The TR (greek)text is an excellent text, but the KJV translation has accuracy problems just like any other translation."
The idea to produce an English Bible had been going for centuries eg the Venerable Bede in the 7th century began one. Then there is Wycliffe, Tyndale etc etc.
Luther and Calvin and others were ordained by GOD to begin the Reformation and bring the REAL: Church into existence, *The Protestant Presbyterian Church.* Amen.
The KING JAMES BIBLE does not have accuracy problems. The only changes ever required by the KING JAMES BIBLE were mainly printing and spelling with a few textual changes. [URL=http://www.angelfire.com/la2/prophet1/kjv2.html]]]KJV. Myths on changes[/URL]
WayneUK wrote:[URL=http://www.scionofzion.com/esv_exposed.htm]]]Worth a look[/URL] Comparing the JW version aboveKJB - King James BibleESV - English Standard VersionNWT - New World Translation of the Jehovah’s WitnessesNAB - New American Bible of the Roman Catholic ChurchMakes your hair curl
John UK wrote:Within hours of arrival at my destination I had the opportunity to witness to a JW for about half-hour. Good job our Bible has got 1 Tim 3:16 absolutely spot on. And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
Comparing the JW version above
KJB - King James BibleESV - English Standard VersionNWT - New World Translation of the Jehovah’s WitnessesNAB - New American Bible of the Roman Catholic Church
Makes your hair curl
Look at my ealier post and see the Trinitarian Bible Society Video deal with similar...it needs to be studied BEFORE you chuck your KJV in the waste bin
Alan H wrote:"God, indeed, could not be separated from his own truth; for nothing would be left to him, were he regarded as apart from his word. Hence a mere fiction is every idea which men form of God in their minds, when they neglect that mirror in which he has made himself known, Nay more, we ought to know that whatever power, majesty, and glory there is in God, so shines forth in his word, that he does not appear as God, except his word remains safe and uncorrupted." John Calvin (Jer 20:7)Good to hear from you John UK! I hope all is well and that God prospers your efforts.
Within hours of arrival at my destination I had the opportunity to witness to a JW for about half-hour. Good job our Bible has got 1 Tim 3:16 absolutely spot on.
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
Good post Wayne UK.
Good to hear from you John UK! I hope all is well and that God prospers your efforts.
For any who have imbibed all the Dr James White arguments, but wish to see why other Reformed brethren disagree with him (but who are not Ruckmanites), why not view the above recently preached sermon video by a speaker from the Trinitarian Bible Society and then watch the other 4 videos
It is best to understand why brethren hold to the AV and then there is no cause for any to continually offer up an army of straw men. The above videos might even prove convincing to those who have no idea that there is a Reformed Trinitarian Bible Society with all connected holding to the doctrines of grace! View the videos first and THEN please comment, the one above is a very good start
I can't stop, as there is so much to do, but I thought I'd encourage one and all to believe that we have THE BIBLE in English.
As they say at the [URL=http://www.deanburgonsociety.org/DBS_Society/articles.htm]]]Dean Burgon Society[/URL] "We believe that the Texts which are the closest to the original autographs of the Bible are the Traditional Masoretic Hebrew Text for the Old Testament, and the traditional Greek Text for the New Testament underlying the King James Version (as found in "The Greek Text Underlying The English Authorized Version of 1611").
We believe that the King James Version (or Authorized Version) of the English Bible is a true, faithful, and accurate translation of these two providentially preserved Texts, which in our time has no equal among all of the other English Translations. The translators did such a fine job in their translation task that we can without apology hold up the Authorized Version of 1611 and say "This is the WORD OF GOD!" while at the same time realizing that, in some verses, we must go back to the underlying original language Texts for complete clarity, and also compare Scripture with Scripture."
ancient mariner wrote:Mike NYHave you seen John's last post at 9/15/10:5:24AM Did you know he was leaving us?
John, if you're still reading these, you will be in my prayers,bro, feeble though they may be.
Thanks, ancient mariner, for letting me know.
John UK wrote:I must be about my Master's Business. Having just enough health and strength left to tell poor sinners that a Saviour has died, I am packing in readiness for a move in early October to the Mission Field. The Lord is with me, and I am very happy to be doing his will. I shall be preaching from my trusty pocket TBS New Testament (AV) and, thanks to gifts from two true friends I met here on SA, and because my voice is very weak, I shall be purchasing one of these portable pa systemsTime is of the essence, and I must use it wisely if I am to tell every soul that Christ has died that they might live. Men must be encouraged to believe the gospel is for them as sinners, which of course it is.Adios amigos
John UK wrote:Mark 16:15-16 KJVI must be about my Master's Business. Having just enough health and strength left to tell poor sinners that a Saviour has died, I am packing in readiness for a move in early October to the Mission Field. The Lord is with me, and I am very happy to be doing his will. I shall be preaching from my trusty pocket TBS New Testament (AV) and, thanks to gifts from two true friends I met here on SA, and because my voice is very weak, I shall be purchasing one of [URL=http://www.connevans.co.uk/store/viewProduct.do?id=3300377]]]these portable pa systems[/URL] Time is of the essence, and I must use it wisely if I am to tell every soul that Christ has died that they might live. Men must be encouraged to believe the gospel is for them as sinners, which of course it is.Adios amigos
John UK wrote:I must be about my Master's Business. Having just enough health and strength left to tell poor sinners that a Saviour has died, I am packing in readiness for a move in early October to the Mission Field. The Lord is with me, and I am very happy to be doing his will. I shall be preaching from my trusty pocket TBS New Testament (AV) and, thanks to gifts from two true friends I met here on SA, and because my voice is very weak, I shall be purchasing one of these portable pa systems
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.16 For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!17 For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.18 What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.19 For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.
Here is the commission Jesus gave:
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Mark 16:15-16 KJV
I must be about my Master's Business. Having just enough health and strength left to tell poor sinners that a Saviour has died, I am packing in readiness for a move in early October to the Mission Field. The Lord is with me, and I am very happy to be doing his will.
I shall be preaching from my trusty pocket TBS New Testament (AV) and, thanks to gifts from two true friends I met here on SA, and because my voice is very weak, I shall be purchasing one of [URL=http://www.connevans.co.uk/store/viewProduct.do?id=3300377]]]these portable pa systems[/URL]
Time is of the essence, and I must use it wisely if I am to tell every soul that Christ has died that they might live. Men must be encouraged to believe the gospel is for them as sinners, which of course it is.
Adios amigos
John UK wrote:Not yet bro, but it's now booked into a 62 min slot tomorrow, Deo Volente.
1d dainty wrote:John UKHave you listened to this sermon yet?[URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=12407102458]]]What is wrong with modern translations?[/URL]
John UK wrote:But the KJV will NOT go away!
Who is the "temple"
"1 Corinthians 3.16-17AV Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
RSV Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you? 17 If any one destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him. For God’s temple is holy, and that temple you are.
ESV Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you? 17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him. For God’s temple is holy, and you arethat temple. (footnote: “The Greek for you is plural in verses 16 and 17”)
Again, the footnote helps if the reader takes note of it, but many people still think that the temple referred to in these verses by Paul (and in 1 Cor 6.19-20) is the individual believer and not the body of Christ.
In this individualistic “Me” generation (the secular man is often heard to say “My body is a temple, therefore I exercise”), this is an important point to notice which the AV clearly states." (TBS)
KJV (AV) proves to be the most accurate vehicle of the Greek (and Hebrew) yet again.
Alan H wrote:The Authorized Version is the best fruit of the Reformation. But some have no taste for it!
From where do we have our doctrine? The Bible!
Attack the Bible, and you attack the doctrine.
What does the ecumenical movement want to achieve? Unity of churches? Of course not! Their aim is to bring all of christendom to Mother Church. And the modern versions are surreptitiously and quietly removing those passages from which we have our Protestant heritage. The process was begun in 1881 by the treacherous Westcott and Hort who mentored men like Bruce Metzger and Kurt Aland.
No wonder some folks want the KJV to become extinct, because then we will not be able to COMPARE the latest, greatest (pseudo-) version to hit the shop shelves, with the real thing. If the real thing disappears, counterfeits will abound and deceive the people.
But the KJV will NOT go away!
