John wrote:JesseYou'd be better off getting out your King James Bible and reading the true account of the crucifixion there. The world has an objective in all this religious nonsense.
I've just read you originate from Alba.So do I.
I'm sorry you've ended up a liberal with JW tendencies.
Och weel mayhap Yon loon will tak ye oot o` the fankle yer in.
I'm afraid you might be missing what the reformers taught during the second reformation. Please let me make some distinctions to help clarify.
1) Nobody that I'm aware wanted man inspired songs removed from the homes or from the mission fields. However, most of those in the second reformation who were hunted throughout the killing fields of Scotland did sing Psalms as they were led to their death, but simply because it is what they grew up singing.
2) Man inspired hymns and songs are like prayers and instruments used to help make melody are warmly welcome in the praise and worship of God. Some in our church have produced amazing music as we sit around giving the Lord our praises for their blessing He has given them.
3) However, I would argue that the Lord's Day Sabbath should be used for worship and praise according to His instruction. The songs, hymns and spiritual songs that are contained in the Psalter (as the titles reflect) are His songbook, hymnal and spiritual song book. They are not inspired by man, but rather inspired by God.
If you disagree with me that only the Psalms should be song on the Lord's Day during His appointed time of Sabbath Worship, that is fine. But please don't suggest I have said what you imply I mean with your comments below.
I suppose next you'll be wanting all the harps out of heaven. The choir too?
Perhaps we should inform King David how sinful it was of him to sing praises to God on the lyre - and remove the Psalms from the Bible. What do you think?
By the way, you'd better shoot me now because to support our missionary work, I (along with my husband)sing, and play classical guitar, violin, mandolin, piano, and bass, (amongst other things). I write Christian fiction novels, and take (horrors) pictures of God's Creation so that those who cannot see the wonders I've been privileged to, can enjoy them and give Him praise. "I am perceived by the things made," sayeth Yahweh.
We're talking about a MOVIE here, depicting the last hours of Christ's life on earth. As an artist, I think it was well done, and you're welcome to disagree with me.
I come from Scotland, by the way, I was born and raised there, and played MANY hymns in the MANY churches I went to in my time there.
I'm all for being radical when it counts, but not ridiculous. You're straining out knats and swallowing camels folks.
The reformers in the second reformation also removed all the organs and instruments from the worship of God throughout Scotland and England, and some parts of reformed Ireland.
It was a glorious time in the true and faithful worship of God.
To support such heretical rubbish as Gibson's fictional representation of the Crucifiction of Christ as you appear to do is heresy by association.
Therefore not only do I judge you but as a Christian I am required to do so to alert the people of the false professors in our midst.
Since you have seen fit to advertise this corrupt icon and make such fawning observation of it, there is a need to put the record straight.
You break the first commandment and encourage others to follow your sinful path.
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth"
For this same reason the Reformers removed the relics, icons, statuettes and figurines from the True Church in the 16th/17th century.
It seems you wish to bring this vile and impious apostasy back.
Actually, no I don't require such things in my life. I wasn't asked to comment on religious denominations, but rather about a specific movie, which I myself find both tremendously humbling and uplifting. YMMV.
When you worship GOD "in spirit and truth," no additional props are required. I like movies which further the Gospel, especially since the USA is presently graduating its Grade 12 students with a 75% functional illiteracy rate. (At this level they cannot correctly fill out a job application at a fast food restaurant. ) So, movies that show what was given by our Father to us through Christ, Who also surrendered Himself, are fine by me. Those who prefer not to, or simply cannot read, can learn the Gospel through them.
It's like everything else. The parts I don't agree with - I ignore, and the parts that harmonize with my spirit - I give thanks for.
I think most of the movies about the life of Christ have something positive to offer.
Might I suggest you be careful how you judge others, since you seem awfully quick to do so? Remember, as you judge, so WILL you be judged, Christ said. Are you *sure* you can afford to be making such absolute (and incorrect)statements? - Jesse.
You appear to be just like the papal antichrists followers. You require to have idolatry and iconolatry in your religion.
You'd be better off getting out your King James Bible and reading the true account of the crucifixion there. The world has an objective in all this religious nonsense.
There are many movies about the life - and death of Christ. They are all edifying, if not all Biblically correct to the letter, but they do serve to further the Gospel.
The Passion of the Christ is one of the most compelling movies I've seen. As with any other movie, some creative license is taken, but IT SHOWS THE PRICE THAT NEEDED TO BE PAID FOR OUR SINS AND HOW WILLINGLY JESUS PAID THAT PRICE - AND WITH SUCH LOVE.
We own the DVD and watch it every year at Passover (Nisan 14), and usually at least one other time during the year as well.
I'm not a Catholic, but I tend to agree with Pope John Paul II (may God rest his soul) who said, "It is as it was." Amen to that.
NAILS didn't hold Jesus to the cross - LOVE did. And this film shows that in detail.
It is difficult for me to imagine anyone watching this movie and not being in awe of how much our Father through Christ LOVES us - chaff... dust in the wind....
He came to pay a price He did not owe, because we owed a price we could not pay.
This isn't about denomination, or anything other than the demonstration of true AGAPE LOVE.
Yours, surrendering to, and trusting in Jesus - Jesse.
I am not even going to bother explaining myself, because I know I am right. I don't care if you don't believe me, that is your problem.
This movie was touching, and if you didn't feel touched, then where is your heart?
A German Roman Catholic nun named Anne Catherine Emmerich experienced a series of 'ecstatic visions' (in other words, demon posession) in which she was "shown" the last 12 hours of Jesus' life. Her experiences are recorded in a book called "The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ". Mel Gibson took this book and based his movie on it, not the Bible per se. In fact, the cover of this book contains the words "An inspirational source for the movie 'The Passion of the Christ'". The extra-biblical 'stuff' found in the movie is from this book.
By the way, this scene is also quite blasphemous, in that scripturedeclares (in Isaiah 53 among other places) that it was GOD who crushedChrist, not Satan.
The fact that Satan is a non-ubiquitous, created being as we are, preventshim from being employed by God to Crush Christ as God did in the book ofJob, so this is DEFINITELY a glaring error in the movie...and it appearsright at the beginning.
These movies violate the 2nd commandment.
It's just morbid Catholic S&M.
It glorifies/reenforces Catholic doctrine.
It's propaganda, something Hollywood is an expert in. I'm not letting some Hollywood-trained Catholic zealot have my mind and emotions to play with for two hours.
(1) It violates the 2nd commandment concerning graven images.
(2) It contains extra-Biblical elements.
(3) It exalts Mary.
(4) The idea behind it was taken from a Roman Catholic mystic.
(5) Contains additional acts of brutality not found in the Bible.
(6) It links the crucifixion to the RC Mass.
(7) It is inconsistent with the sufferings of Christ. It emphasizes the physical sufferings of Christ rather than the spiritual sufferings as taught in the Bible.
(8) It leads to theological confusion, experiential confusion, ecumenical confusion, and Biblical confusion.
(9) It repudiates the great principle of the Reformation: Salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone.
(10) It has produced conversions to Rome and increased RC devotion.
Judging my the low number (51%) who disapprove of this movie, I would say many are not aware of it's sinister nature from a Biblical point of view.
A very excellent sermon by Denis Lyle may be heard at:
http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?currSection=recommended&sermonID=4504144849
I appreciate your sentiment but remain unconvinced that the means justifies the ends.
This is not a movie I will ever watch due to the level of violence in it -- I couldn't even tolerate a photo book of it that I glanced thru! A number of posts mention becoming numb to the gore and violence -- what a victory for satan!
To paraphrase Job 31:1 "I made a covenant with mine eyes; why then should I...[look upon a movie]?"
The book of Proverbs is loaded with warnings about whorish women, even to beware of the beauty of whorish women.
How is the devil manisfesting as an angel of light in our lives? What looks beautiful on the surface and underneath is full of deadness and rotteness?
Remarkable with all those warnings about whorish women; with them being stoned, raped to death with the knowledge of a man of God, destroying families, passing on disease, leading men to eternal damnation that Jesus said, that the whores would enter the Kingdom of God, before the Scribes and Pharisees.
I didn't enjoy the Movie, yet I strongly believe what Kent Hovind says, "that you can learn something from everyone".
Matthew 4:6 and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written: "He shall give His angels charge over you,' and, "In their hands they shall bear you up, Lest you dash your foot against a stone."'
Luke 23:27-29
27And a great multitude of the people followed Him, and women who also mourned and lamented Him. 28But Jesus, turning to them, said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for Me, but weep for yourselves and for your children. 29For indeed the days are coming in which they will say, "Blessed are the barren, wombs that never bore, and breasts which never nursed!'
