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What is Your Perspective on Paul's Perspective from a Biblical Perspective? Created: 7/11/2006 | Last Vote: 14 years ago | Comment: 16 years ago

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5/9/08 2:36 AM Observation Post    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments preacherjond wrote: I'm not sure what this survey is getting at, but Paul wrote the very words of God, and what Paul wrote is not Pauls perspective, but Gods perspective and God's views and thoughts. Perhaps these links will help... [URL=http://www.thepaulpage.com/Summary.html]]]New Perspective summary[/URL] [URL=http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/articles/onsite/new_p.html]]]Old Perspective summary[/URL] 5/9/08 2:32 AM Preacher    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments DJC49 wrote: Dr. Phil Are you suggesting that the apostles' selection of Matthias was not recognized and disapproved of by God? Peter did make mention that the main qualification for being numbered among the Twelve was that the candidate must have been a witness to Christ's ministry from His baptism to the Ascension being able to testify to His Resurrection. Paul wouldn't meet this criteria ... Or ... was Peter, once again (and true to his character) "jumping the gun" on this need to fulfill prophesy by finding a twelfth apostle? I know it's not a big issue, but I've sometimes wondered about there being 13 apostles. 13? James the brother of Jesus was also counted as an Apostle. So with the original 12, including Judas Iscariot, and then Matthias, Paul and James the number is 15. I think that God rejected Matthias because he was chosen by men and Apostles are appointed by the Lord. How James fits in I don't know. By the way, once you start putting new perspectives on Paul, what is to stop you from putting new perspectives on Genesis, or any other book. It is just another form of Liberalism and rejection of the Bible as the complete Canon of God's inspired Scripture. 5/8/08 8:08 PM Derek  | Missouri    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments preacherjond We agree 5/8/08 12:15 PM preacherjond    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments I'm not sure what this survey is getting at, but Paul wrote the very words of God, and what Paul wrote is not Pauls perspective, but Gods perspective and God's views and thoughts. This idea going around today that Paul was sexist and teaches a different gospel is ridiculous. God inspired Paul by the Holy Spirit, and everything Paul wrote is what God thinks about the subject, not Paul. 4/6/08 1:37 PM DJC49  | Florida    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Dr. Phil Are you suggesting that the apostles' selection of Matthias was not recognized and disapproved of by God? Peter did make mention that the main qualification for being numbered among the Twelve was that the candidate must have been a witness to Christ's ministry from His baptism to the Ascension being able to testify to His Resurrection. Paul wouldn't meet this criteria ... Or ... was Peter, once again (and true to his character) "jumping the gun" on this need to fulfill prophesy by finding a twelfth apostle? I know it's not a big issue, but I've sometimes wondered about there being 13 apostles. 4/6/08 10:05 AM Dr. Phil    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments DJC49 wrote: _____ So what's to be made of Rev 21:14? "And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the TWELVE apostles of the Lamb." Seems as though the AUTHOR of The Revelation considered there to be only 12 apostles. Not 13. I think that it is interesting to note the following 3 things about Matthias: 1. He was selected by the other Apostles before Pentecost (the out pouring of the Holy Spirit) 2. He was selected by the OT method of casting lots. 3. He was not metioned again in the NT, yet Paul went on to write a significant portion of the NT. 4/6/08 9:29 AM Mic  | Japan    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Of course the Old Perspective will win the survey, after all this is Sermon Audio ! Older always wins out at Sermon Audio 4/5/08 12:28 PM DJC49  | Florida    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Minnow wrote: I guess Paul's job will be with the Gentiles as opposed to judging the tribes. _____ So what's to be made of Rev 21:14? "And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the TWELVE apostles of the Lamb." Seems as though the AUTHOR of The Revelation considered there to be only 12 apostles. Not 13. 4/5/08 11:41 AM Minnow    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments DJC49 "... TWELVE thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." I guess Paul's job will be with the Gentiles as opposed to judging the tribes. Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 1Tim 2:7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity. 2Tim 1:11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles. 4/5/08 11:14 AM DJC49  | Florida    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments [This might be a little off-topic but ... I found no other related thread where I could ask this question] Speaking of Paul, can anyone answer this question: "Why are there 13 apostles?" Jesus Christ states clearly in Matthew 19:28 that: "And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon TWELVE thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." 12 Thrones. Is Matthias (or Paul) illegitimate? Will these 2 "share" a throne? 11/18/06 4:42 AM Brad W    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Interesting that Wright would debunk a works righteousness that Paul found as a threat to the true grace in Jesus in order for his new formula that the historical context indicated that Paul was only talking about Jewish social exclusion of the gentiles (Christians?)based on...religious merits. Because that will EXACTLY be the effect when this NP sweeps through the church and socially isolates true spirit filled Christians! Lately NT Wright is working towards leading people astray on the meaning of Baptism being more than just a sign but a source of justification! Wake up Reformed people or you will be swept beneath this insidious wave aimed squarely at covenant theology. 11/9/06 9:10 AM Mike  | PA    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Old school presbyterian: Great comment on the New Perspective. You stated this so well and with such clarity. The spread of this heresy is indeed a great problem. 11/9/06 8:36 AM Old School Presbyterian    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments There are plenty of good sermons here on the New Perspective on Paul, the Auburn Ave Theology (Not to be confused with the Auburn Affirmation which has nothing to do with it) the Federal Vision, Norman Shepherd and N.T. Wright. If you enter in those keywords in the sermonaudio.com search engine, you'll find a plethora of sermons exposing this heresy. In short, it's a Romanist denial of justification by faith alone, teaching that justification is a process instead of a one time heavenly declaration as historically taught in orthodox biblical protestantism. It's refered to as a 'new perspective' because people who adhere to it believe that Paul was speaking against ceremonial practices (Jewish identity markers) having nothing to do with our justification rather than Judaistic legalism. Therefore, according to people who adhere to this doctrine, Paul was indeed teaching that justification comes by the law. It's probably the most dangerous heresy out there right now, and it behooves the Christian to learn as much as they can to refute it. It is growing by leaps and bounds in many reformed churches at the consent of their pastors and elders. Learn and become informed. 11/9/06 1:12 AM Byron  | Texas    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Uh...what Yamil said. 11/8/06 8:57 PM Lurker  | USA    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Yamil! Take a deep breath and say goosfabra!! 11/8/06 8:03 PM Yamil    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments My Perspective on Paul's Perspective from a Biblical Perspective is that Perspective on Paul's Perspective from a Biblical Perspective is a biblical perspective because Perspective on Paul's Perspective from a Biblical Perspective is Biblical. That's if you believe that Perspective on Paul's Perspective from a Biblical Perspective and that Perspective on your Perspective from a Biblical Perspective is actually's Perspective on Paul's Perspective from a Biblical Perspective. 11/7/06 7:28 PM Remo & Susan Graziotin  | Adelaide, South Australia    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Pastor Andrew Webb, Thank you for providing the quotes. I still do not believe that they are saying the Reformers were wrong. I believe that they are saying the purpose of Paul's use of the phrase 'justification by faith' is not to define the gospel by it (what the Reformers have stated) but that are not denying that we are justified by faith (and so the Reformers are correct). The you say they just didn,t understand the correct application. Micheal this is utter confussion on your part and satan is the authour of confussion.. Unless you understand what the Gosple really is as you quoted "1. The gospel is the Good News that Jesus Christ is Lord and King." What is pauls NNP on this statement. Its utterlly vauge. Paul taught the utter need to know the right understanding of the True gosple for without it YOU or I HAVE NOTHING Paul say to Peter to his face then expounds what he means verses latter.Galatians 5:11-12 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased. I would they were even cut off which trouble you."cut Off Literlly be mutalate themselves. I think Paul by the holy Spirit is pretty upset about those who would have the nnp.. Utter Dung He would Say.. 11/7/06 6:40 PM Byron  | Texas    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments A life lived long enough usually gives obvious evidence to the election of a saint, or the reprobation of an unbeliever. What amazes me is that people think that based upon our soteriological system that we somehow have a need to know or determine what has already been predestined according to the goodness and wisdom of God. Like Spurgeon, sometimes I wish the elect were born into the world complete with a yellow stripe running down the back, which would greatly simplify the process of evangelism and witness and make it much more personally convenient. But, since God in His wisdom chose not to, we witness to all the gospel of Jesus Christ who died for sinners and rose from the tomb to give eternal life to as many who will believe on Him. We pray fervent prayers for salvation. And we rejoice when God brings the prodigal sinner home and turns him or her into one of His saints. 11/7/06 6:08 PM Yamil Luciano  | Las. Vegas NV    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments It's about Calvinist trying to figure out who is and who is not elect. 11/7/06 6:02 PM confused  | UK    • Add new comment • Reply to comment • Report abuse • Groups | Comments Could someone explain what this topic is about?? Thank you

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