Then again there are lots of men who teach but shouldnt!
It would be great to meet a good female preacher, I expect Philips daughters would have been good in that line. If memory serves they were martyred as well.
How many churches wont allow women to participate in the teaching of the church and yet are more than happy to have them run the sunday school - astonishing !!!
[URL=http://www.pointsouth.com/fbs/women.htm]]]The Public Preaching of Women by Robert Lewis Dabney (1820-1898)[/URL]
Christ taught servant leadership. Most people will follow this type of leadership.
Christian women should have no problem submitting to such leadership in the home. There is a built-in design within the woman that wants to respond. There is a built-in design within the man to lead. Of course, this has all been corrupted by the curse, but is being restored (through sanctification) in the one indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
A Judge's son with whom I worked made a statement that stuck with me: "The principles of the Bible are beneficial, if followed, even to the one who is not a Christian."
God is our Maker. He knows how relationships work best. We can trust Him.
"The demand for the ordination of women, as rebellious as it is in itself, is a symptom of a much more serious malady. The ordination of women might disfigure the church, but the disease of which it is a symptom will kill her unless it is quickly diagnosed and treated. That disease . . . is the rejection of Biblical inerrancy."
(Scripture Twisting in the Seminaries by John W. Robbins, Part One: Feminism, “The Most Serious Error,” Pg. 51, 53).
That quote from John W. Robbins could cover many other areas of rebellion as well as this. I have not read his book, but it concerns that which is being "miss-taught" in the seminaries. It is my understanding that the number of women in seminaries has increased so dramatically that they will very soon outnumber the men, if they don't already; and so, the pulpit will follow after.
"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." 1Cor. 11:3
If the man does not submit to his head, Christ, why should it be surprising if the woman does not submit to her head, man?
Where was Adam, while Eve was being deceived by the serpent? Certainly some place in the garden. but not in the right place...
Alan H wrote:Sharon S.,Coming from another woman, I really appreciate your candidness...Thanks!
Thank you for your gracious comment. You have always been gracious in your postings.
As I consider my posting, I'm reminded that I should be less impetuous and more mindful of how long these things hang around. I tend to vent in print. It's a reminder to me that I will give an account for my words, and I should continue to ask the Lord to set a guard over my mouth.
Blessings to you and yours.
Sharon S. wrote:Sharon Watkins, Pastor, speaking at the National Prayer Service at the Washington National Cathedral, and president of the Disciples of Christ Ministries, should be convincing proof that women should not speak from the pulpit, though Scripture alone should be sufficient. Sharon Watkins is a disgrace to the name of the LORD, and I am cringing that we share the same first name.My grandmother always said that my name meant "rose" - a fragrant aroma. This woman does the name an injustice, and I can only watch this service with the sound muted.If I am saddened by such a service, the LORD's displeasure must be great!
Sharon Watkins is a disgrace to the name of the LORD, and I am cringing that we share the same first name.My grandmother always said that my name meant "rose" - a fragrant aroma. This woman does the name an injustice, and I can only watch this service with the sound muted.
If I am saddened by such a service, the LORD's displeasure must be great!
Coming from another woman, I really appreciate your candidness...
Thanks!
Sharon Watkins is a disgrace to the name of the LORD, and I am cringing that we share the same first name.
My grandmother always said that my name meant "rose" - a fragrant aroma. This woman does the name an injustice, and I can only watch this service with the sound muted.
St Jeremiah wrote:There is a lack of clarification on this issue. Part of the problem is translation:I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 1 Timothy 2:12-13The problem with this translation is that it ignores the context. Adam and Eve were husband and wife....they were married. After the fall...the wife was commanded "Your desire..........This would place her over her husband to teach him God's word. This is not the proper order (1 Cor. 6:3). Paul never says anything about the role of single women in the Church. They are under the direct rule of Christ. In the mission field it is proper for single women to plant churches. When a man...who is married...is trained and qualify to Pastor should take over the leadership of his local Church. Where established Churches are...she can teach Sunday School.
.....This would place her over her husband to teach him God's word. This is not the proper order (1 Cor. 6:3). Paul never says anything about the role of single women in the Church. They are under the direct rule of Christ. In the mission field it is proper for single women to plant churches. When a man...who is married...is trained and qualify to Pastor should take over the leadership of his local Church. Where established Churches are...she can teach Sunday School.
Thats not true.
These verses/reasons have nothing to do with marriage.
1Tim 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. :14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression"
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 1 Timothy 2:12-13
The problem with this translation is that it ignores the context. Adam and Eve were husband and wife....they were married. After the fall...the wife was commanded "Your desire will be for your husband (authority), and he will rule over you." Genesis 3:16 The sin nature in the wife fights against the rule of her husband.
So the text from verse 8 to here is men = husband (aner) and woman = wife (gune).
I do not permit a wife to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 1 Timothy 2:12-13
This would place her over her husband to teach him God's word. This is not the proper order (1 Cor. 6:3). Paul never says anything about the role of single women in the Church. They are under the direct rule of Christ. In the mission field it is proper for single women to plant churches. When a man...who is married...is trained and qualify to Pastor should take over the leadership of his local Church. Where established Churches are...she can teach Sunday School.
Jessica Dawson wrote:My mother says to the effect that women are cooking their own goose, in trying to live their lives as men do. Women now are more likely to suffer heart attacks and die younger just as men. My parents had an agreement when they got married that my Mother stay at home, and this while my Father worked. Mom used to have a motto, that since her husband was out working hard, she would work just as hard at home.She did renovations, even taking down walls herself. My parents built a house together, Mom would often deal with the contractors and she did a lot of labour herself.She took care of a huge garden when I was young and our farm animals. When my parents couldn't afford presents, my Mom made them for me.My Mom has been the target of hatred from other women who have been resentful and jealous of her because she "wasn't working"! The role of Mother and wife is not even recognized as valuable by many women.
I suppose it depends where you are sitting. But personally if I was sitting in the pew of the wrong church, I might see a woman - but I would not then see a pastor sent by Christ.
The Lord really meant it when HE recorded....
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. 15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
In agreement with you Freeman. Amen.
I love being a woman and there is such freedom in obeying God's Word as a woman. Before I knew God I was one of the most rebellious woman always lording it over my husband and there was nothing but strife in our marriage but once I became a new creation in Christ, HE changed me forever and showed me my role as a woman that. HIS Word is True. That is how God has ordained it.
AND THAT SETTLES IT FOR ME.
Just wondering,
Why would you recommend a book that teaches in direct contradiction to THE BOOK?
PS-would also like to know why someone else is posting under this moniker? At least call yourself Just wondering 2. I don't want your posts confused with mine. Thank you.
Dessie wrote:PLAIN and SIMPLE, it is not biblical.
It's time for women to arise and take their rightful place along side of men who are Also called to preach, teach, and share the love of Jesus Christ, here in the USA and around the world.OR should the the various denominations which believe this lie recall all of their single and married women missionaries?May God grant you the love, peace, and revelation of His word of how He uses all who are called to worship Him in "spirit and truth".May God bless you as you honor Him.
Greetings Jessica,One wise mother! One wise Proverbs thirty-one, Jesus loving woman is worth more than one-hundred lazy Jezebels’ added together. You should be pleased with your mother and I know you are. I would be too. There is a reason why these other women are jealous of your mother. These others are lazy, perfidious and unregenerate God-haters with humanistic selfish views. While I was in the U.S. Army for twenty-five years, my wife worked hard raising our son and preparing the home. I helped when I could, but raising a child and supporting a career soldier is not an easy task and a lot of women can’t and won’t do it! My son, today is a supervisor (Sergeant) in a county sheriff’s office and an Army Reserve Sergeant, with a future and his own family…… Praise GodThere was a song written years ago (1974), by a Canadian band called the Guess Who. They performed a secular song that was and is most appropriate, even today, for a great number of modern American women. I don’t know if heard the song (since I don’t have a clue concerning your age) but it was titled, “American Woman”. Unbiblical people are outlined in 1 Corinthians 2:14-15; and this is their song.Be Blessed Jesus is Lord
