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Really wrote:There is a difference between genuine believers and hypocrites! That is all that the verses you quoted are saying. They say nothing about who is and who is not reconciled!
Hypocrite is NOT reconciled!
Reality wrote:You appear to be trying to make the case that everybody who attends a church is reconciled. Reality obviously teaches different.Also JESUS taught21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. And17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Really wrote:Now how do you suppose the apostle could declare these words of reconciliation indiscriminately to so many if he had no certainty that the words of reconciliation applied to them? Do you suppose he had special knowledge as the Hyper-Calvs declare?
And17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Really wrote:You've missed the point!
To be reconciled to God IS TO BE SAVED! Christ has reconciled US to HIMSELF. He has removed the barriers between US and God, NOT IMPUTING THEIR TRESPASSES to US.
The rest world are having their trespasses imputed to them. If God has reconciled everyone to Himself, He has saved everyone. He has not only removed His anger towards the elect and placed it upon His Son, He has also removed our anger towards HIM! He has removed our shame. All things are of HIM!
Amen!
Really wrote:The promise that any who come will be forgiven must be DISINGENUOUS if the reconciliation was not made for the party/parties being addressed!
The apostle's part? ... No sir! Since he did not know for whom exactly the reconciliation was to apply (it could have applied to one, a few, many, all, or none of his audience at the time!), his preaching of the Gospel to all indiscriminately was as sincere as a heart attack. Whosoever believes shall be saved!
God's part? ...Wrong again! God knew from the foundation of the world for whom the Atonement was made; for whom the reconciliation was applicable. His elect! God isn't schizophrenic or irrational in that he DECREES from all eternity who shall be saved (His elect) and then turns around and hopes that everyone will be saved by their accepting His "blanket offer" of reconciliation!
The apostle's duty was to only preach that Gospel of reconciliation to every creature and let the Holy Spirit bring in those "whosoevers" whom would certainly believe._
And BTW, God does NOT make "disingenuous" promises! When He proclaims something, it's absolute; it's guaranteed! And God's ambassadors -- his apostles -- carry those SAME promises of God. His word is SURE!
DJC49 wrote:Wanna know how?Then pay attention.
The promise that any who come will be forgiven must be DISINGENUOUS if the reconciliation was not made for the party/parties being addressed!
So I ask again how did the apostle Paul know for whom Christ had made reconciliation?
Re: Gospel is FACTS and COMMAND
Read ACTS and mark every gospel address for yourself. I think you might be surprised! Mark particularly the words "persuaded", "argued", "convinced","exhorted", "reasoned", "confounded" etc. NO cold flag waving exercise here! No "this is simply what you must believe"! Might even improve your preaching if you were to imitate the apostle
Re:conditional offers
The gospel command is repent/believe AND you will be forgiven. NO repentance/faith NO forgiveness! Forgiveness is conditional!
Really wrote:Now how do you suppose the apostle could declare these words of reconciliation indiscriminately to so many if he had no certainty that the words of reconciliation applied to them?
Because the apostle was making statements of FACT in 3 of those verses YOU cited; and a COMMAND in the last one ... 3 Declarative statements and 1 Imperative. Observe:Declarations:Acts 10:43 "whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins"Acts 13:39 "all that believe are justified"Acts 16:31 "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house"Command:Acts 17:30 "God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent"
NOWHERE will you find the apostles going about making conditional "offers."Rather, the Gospel is stated as FACTS to be believed and COMMANDS to obey. You just WILL NOT find anywhere in Scripture the language that asserts that "Christ died for YOU and IF you believe this then his sacrifice will be applied to you account."NO!The apostles indiscriminately broadcast the Gospel -- they do NOT ever need to know who the believers might turn out to be -- they knew with certainty that God's word would accomplish whatever God intended and not return to Him void.
The words *every*, *all* and *whosoever* in the Scriptures is the word *pas* in the Greek.
Definition: Pas
1.individually a.each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything
2.collectively a.some of all types ...
"the whole world has gone after him" Did all the world go after Christ? "then went all Judea, and were baptized of him in Jordan."Was all Judea, or all Jerusalem, baptized in Jordan? "Ye are of God,little children", and the whole world lieth in the wicked one". Does the whole world there mean everybody? The words "world" and "all" are used in some seven or eight senses in Scripture, and it is very rarely the "all" means all persons, taken individually. The words are generally used to signify that Christ has redeemed some of all sorts-- some Jews, some Gentiles, some rich, some poor, and has not restricted His redemption to either Jew or Gentile ..."
rogerant wrote:And if He has reconciled everyone to Himself as the HYPER Arminians declare, then everyone must be saved, including Pharoah!
That is the fallacious conclusion you draw from it!
It is impossible for you to believe (because of your calv pre-suppositions) that God is propitious, but that irrespective sinful men will not repent and be reconciled to him; hence, why they incur more guilt for their rejection of the message of reconciliation!
