AMill wrote:John UK."Most AMs interpret the book of Revelation according to what is called progressive parallelism. “According to this view, the book of Revelation consists of seven sections which run parallel to each other, each of which depicts the church and the world from the time of Christ’s first coming to the time of his second,” The 7 sections are: (1) chps. 1-3; (2) chps. 4-7; (3) chps. 8-11; (4) chps. 12-14; (5) chps. 15-16; (6) chps. 17-19; (7) chps. 20-22. Therefore, according to this view Revelation 20:1 is not to be thought of as following in chronological order chapter 19 (which describes the Second Coming of Christ). Rather, it takes us back once again to the beginning of the NT era and recapitulates the entire present age. By doing this the AM is able to interpret (a) the binding of Satan in Rev. 20:1-3 as having occurred during our Lord’s earthly ministry, and (b) the 1,000 year reign (i.e., the millennium) of Rev. 20:4-6 as describing in symbolic language the entire inter-advent age in which we now live. Therefore, the thousand-year period is no literal piece of history; it is a symbolic number coextensive with the history of the church on earth between the resurrection of Christ and his return." (Sam Storms)
"Most AMs interpret the book of Revelation according to what is called progressive parallelism. “According to this view, the book of Revelation consists of seven sections which run parallel to each other, each of which depicts the church and the world from the time of Christ’s first coming to the time of his second,”
The 7 sections are: (1) chps. 1-3; (2) chps. 4-7; (3) chps. 8-11; (4) chps. 12-14; (5) chps. 15-16; (6) chps. 17-19; (7) chps. 20-22. Therefore, according to this view Revelation 20:1 is not to be thought of as following in chronological order chapter 19 (which describes the Second Coming of Christ). Rather, it takes us back once again to the beginning of the NT era and recapitulates the entire present age. By doing this the AM is able to interpret (a) the binding of Satan in Rev. 20:1-3 as having occurred during our Lord’s earthly ministry, and (b) the 1,000 year reign (i.e., the millennium) of Rev. 20:4-6 as describing in symbolic language the entire inter-advent age in which we now live. Therefore, the thousand-year period is no literal piece of history; it is a symbolic number coextensive with the history of the church on earth between the resurrection of Christ and his return." (Sam Storms)
The reason I ask is because although I believe that Christ is reigning sovereignly now and will cause time to cease upon his return, I cannot help but be impressed with the number of prophecies in the Revelation which would appear to be coming to pass more and more in our day.
This is not an invitaton to pre-trib pre-mill fundamentalists to bash me into submission to their beliefs, but an honest desire to come to grips with what the Bible says about the endtime prophecies.
ScotArt wrote:Aaahh Mike; Me darlin boyo!There is a wee bit o' difference betwixt the Institutes and the commentaries. But nonetheless you should have a good read of both. Hope Old New York isn't too hot for you!
No expert on Mr Calvin, but read enough of him to question whether he'd bog himself down with ALL the petals of shedding tulips.
Mike wrote:So Banner is wrong when he said Calvin didn't comment on Revelation because "he was honest enough to say he did not understand it." Was Banner just being a free-will liberal with the facts?
But nonetheless you should have a good read of both.
Hope Old New York isn't too hot for you!
AMill wrote:"Revelation (20:2,4). Calvin comments on it "...the chiliasts (Premills) limited the reign of Christ to a thousand years. Now their fiction is too childish either to need or to be worth a refutation. And the Apocalypse, from which they undoubtedly drew a pretext for their error, does not support them. For the number â€one thousand’ (Rev. 20:4) does not apply to the eternal blessedness of the church...On the contrary, all Scripture proclaims that there will be no end to the blessedness of the elect..." (Institutes,III.xxv.5).
rogerant wrote:Then link to Scripture, not to a uneducated blind guides personal testimony web site.
Tell you what, Roger. In the link I posted up, show me just where there is a word of man in the article [URL=http://blessitt.com/?q=What_Jesus_Says_About_the_End_of_the_World.html]]]What Jesus says about The End of the World[/URL]
And I don't count the little introduction.
John UK wrote:Rogerant, I take it you didn't learn anything.Well maybe, in God's sovereignty and purpose, you should not have looked it up. If you go out of God's will, only you can be to blame for that. Maybe you need to be filled with the Holy Ghost all over again.But an article which is purely scripture without any words of man can never be detrimental.
Well maybe, in God's sovereignty and purpose, you should not have looked it up. If you go out of God's will, only you can be to blame for that. Maybe you need to be filled with the Holy Ghost all over again.
But an article which is purely scripture without any words of man can never be detrimental.
John UK wrote:Words of man can fail, but here is [URL=http://blessitt.com/?q=What_Jesus_Says_About_the_End_of_the_World.html]]]What Jesus Says About The End of the World[/URL]
"I walk for Jesus! At 5 am one morning, Jesus spoke to me, â€Arthur, take the cross off the wall of your building, carry the cross on foot....identify my message on the highways, road-sides where the people are'". Quote Authur Blessit
Every sentence in this fellows website starts with "I" This fellow is preoccupied with what "He has done, and what HE is doing for Jesus".
The confession of a christian is "what Christ has done for us" not "what I am doing and have done for him"
The false religion of the lost is focussed upon their own works, and what they are doing.
Such is the fruit of the teaching of universal atonement.
Many saints that have studied the subject of the millenium "in depth" have gone before us. Are we to follow this wingnut who flies by the seat of our own pants?
Possibly? I trust that is not bypassing your question
Somewhere? Someday? Hopefully in Heaven
bypassing wrote:'Sure, he's funny - sometimes - and, he's clear on his Reformed theology, but he's also a cross between Greg House and Simon Cowell in demeanor. It's just irritating to see DJC49 get special attention on these boards.'Said passingbyDemeanor:1. conduct; behavior; deportment. 2. facial appearance; mien. Wow, he is that good looking-he should be on godtv? I jest Strange how you as a professing Christian like to compare our sermonaudio Reformed and often funny theologian with 2 supposed worldly 'BRIT' TV 'idols'. Either you live in the US and watch too much TV or in the UK and read too many news rags Maybe your irritated because he is throughly biblical? O' you bad man you, see what Simon has to say about your seemingly envious comments:[URL=http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/03/29/simon_cowell_narrowweb__300x375,0.jpg]]]Simon says[/URL]
Good fair and honest comment and well said, every blessing
bypassing wrote:'Sure, he's funny - sometimes - and, he's clear on his Reformed theology, but he's also a cross between Greg House and Simon Cowell in demeanor. It's just irritating to see DJC49 get special attention on these boards.'Said passingby
I read every post because he is thoroughly Biblical - except I'm still not convinced of his eschatalogical leanings.
It's just irritating to see DJC49 get special attention on these boards.'
Said passingby
Demeanor:1. conduct; behavior; deportment. 2. facial appearance; mien.
Wow, he is that good looking-he should be on godtv? I jest
Strange how you as a professing Christian like to compare our sermonaudio Reformed and often funny theologian with 2 supposed worldly 'BRIT' TV 'idols'. Either you live in the US and watch too much TV or in the UK and read too many news rags
Maybe your irritated because he is throughly biblical?
O' you bad man you, see what Simon has to say about your seemingly envious comments:
[URL=http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/03/29/simon_cowell_narrowweb__300x375,0.jpg]]]Simon says[/URL]
I marvel that this verse has attained bulwark status for the millenial position. In its context, it is virtually self-destructive. It has the 'infamous number'. The unadulterated relativity of this number needn't even be considered, but it can be useful. These are believers who have been killed for the cause of Christ. Their bodies 'sleep' in the ground. Their souls 'live again' and reign with Christ. They are 'absent from the body, present with the Lord'. No earth, No reign of peace on earth. These have nothing to do with the time of Satan's binding, for even an alleged reign of peace on earth.Concerning the number, in this very context; the saints who died the day after Christ ascended, along with the saints who die today, will have 'lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years', if He were to return tomorrow.No millenial reign of peace on earth, here.
Publican wrote:Your question concerning the Revelation. You could do no better right now, than to take heed to DJC49's post. Beautifully written, concluded with wisdom. Take special note of his mention of 'our consolation'. Very important... virtually, key.DJC49I'm sure that I will be looking for, and drawing from your storehouse of wisdom and knowledge. And, no doubt, deferring to you often.
You are clearly on the take!
Either you are DJC49, or he is paying you off.
Prefacing your accolades to Lyn and John UK, followed by compliments to Rogerant, are really just your way to sandwich in compliments in a grandiose way to DJC49. You can't fool me, even if you can make everyone else drool over DJC49's "wisdom."
Sure, he's funny - sometimes - and, he's clear on his Reformed theology, but he's also a cross between Greg House and Simon Cowell in demeanor.
It's just irritating to see DJC49 get special attention on these boards.
And may God be merciful to me, a sinner, and continue to reveal more truth to this speckadust. I tend to work slowly, because then when I've got it, I've really got it. And when I get something, I've got it for life, which is a very rewarding thing.
Thanks also to DJC49 for your input and understanding. It is wonderful that a 'Catholic' can be saved and go on to see things so clearly.
