Lynn Thompson wrote:Simple; no faith, no justification!
Jessica Dawson wrote:Ephesians 2:5-10 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
"...made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus..."
Not only made us alive, but 'raised us up' also; lifted us out of the miry clay, out of an horrible pit, and put a song in our heart, even praise unto our God.
Raised with Christ, to sit with him, in a whole new world, a different sphere, a new medium, the spiritual life. Oh how the new convert floats in perfect joy! Such euphoria, such health despite ill-health, such peace in the midst of turmoil. A great thing to be in HIS hand!
Would anyone care to share some words with me about this passage. I'm working on a paper (ENG 109 jour)and need some quotes by people. Thanks
Beloved, when Satan tempts you, when fears distress you, when your past conduct generates despondency, when the claims of the law disturb you, endeavour to exercise faith in this glorious fact that God imputes R without works.
Jesus, how glorious is thy graceWhen in thy name we trustOur faith receives a righteousnessWhich makes the sinner just.JS Rom 4
[URL=http://www.elebooks.org.uk/library/free/justification_Buchanan.pdf]]]THE DOCTRINE OF JUSTIFICATION An Outline of its History in the Church and of its Exposition from Scripture - JAMES BUCHANAN[/URL]
j3 wrote:If you mean justified by God-given faith alone, through God-given grace alone, then I say AMEN.Faith is a result of my Justification; faith is a apart of my santification, what God is doing in me.Faith is not the reason I get saved, but the result of me being saved by God.
If salvation is by grace "through faith" , then salvation must be received by faith. IOW faith preceeds (or must exist to receive) salvation, and is very much related to your "justification"!!
Faith is a result of my Justification; faith is a apart of my santification, what God is doing in me.
Faith is not the reason I get saved, but the result of me being saved by God.
Only faith (that is the gift of God).
Mike wrote:One word: Yes. It's the same life Solomon was talking about.
DJC49 wrote:Mike | New Yorkmake it EASY on me, would you?Did you mean natural, God-given, birthed from mom, biological life or not.A ONE word answer would suffice.Thanks.
make it EASY on me, would you?
Did you mean natural, God-given, birthed from mom, biological life or not.
A ONE word answer would suffice.Thanks.
DJC49 wrote:Mike | New YorkI need you to clarify something here, if you would.At the time that you wrote: "He gave me life." To what were you referring? I assumed that it was your natural, God-given, biological life. Did I assume correctly? I came to my conclusion because in your next post on this thread (1/31/09 11:57 AM) you wrote:"Proverbs 4:10 'Hear, O my son, and receive my sayings; and the years of thy life shall be many.'MORE YEARS that should be hated, I suppose?"
As you have well said, "compared to heaven." And that is what is meant by hating your life. By comparison we "hate" our lives. But this does not mean the contemptuous, disdainful hatred which might be erroneously supposed. We are commanded to love our wives. That exists in THIS life. We are commanded to love our brothers, also part of this life. Are we to hate life, but love that which God has given that makes it life? We need to keep in mind what is meant by hating our lives.
Proverbs 3:2"For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee."
If we were to truly hate our life, you'd have to wonder why Solomon thought these were good things.
Mike | New York wrote:He gave me life. Why should I hate it?
I need you to clarify something here, if you would.
At the time that you wrote: "He gave me life." To what were you referring? I assumed that it was your natural, God-given, biological life. Did I assume correctly?
I came to my conclusion because in your next post on this thread (1/31/09 11:57 AM) you wrote:
"Proverbs 4:10 'Hear, O my son, and receive my sayings; and the years of thy life shall be many.'
MORE YEARS that should be hated, I suppose?"_____
I really need to understand what you honestly MEANT by "He gave me life."
(email me with your answer if you so desire)
DJC49 wrote:Please consider the CONTEXT
Mike NY wrote"He gave me life. Why should I hate it?"
Dear DJC49 this is the CONTEXT not an eisigesis of John 12:25. BTW it is APERCU's version whatever it may be of Calvinism that is shameful or did you conviently overlook his statement to Mike from NY implying that Mike needed to be a Calvinist to have eternal life?
Apercu wrote:"Now Mike you want to live eternally don't you?OKBecome a Calvinist then."
DJC49, it this the kind of Calvinism that you believe in that one must be a Calvinist to live eternally?
I will ask you the same question I asked him. "What is the matter isn't faith in Jesus Christ sufficient for you?"
No, I am far from being an expert in calling people devils but thanks to Calvinists such as yourself and Apercu and others (thankfully not all Calvinists come across with the same attitudes and what I would call dictates) I have realized that with some they seemingly care less if one is genuinely born again and loves Christ but that they would be a proselyte of their version of WCF 5 Point Calvinism.
