I can also see that the Calvinists would rather quote their popes than deal with what the Bible actually SAYS!
That's just another reason, why I'm not a Calvinist.
"Fallen man chooses sin of NECESSITY due to a corruption of nature, and his is just as much a form of bondage of the will from which we need to be set free by Christ, and a more properly biblical way of expression. Just because we make these choices, of necessity, does not alleviate our responsibility."
There is no necessity to sin. Is there one here, who before salvation cannot remember ever choosing not to sin when the option was before you? Did you *always* choose to sin, each and every time it was before you? No matter what it was, you just had to do it? Remember "necessity" requires inability to do otherwise, not unwillingness.
Fallen man has a propensity, not a necessity, to sin.
BTW thanks for the compliment.
May the Holy Spirit lead us into his truth.
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But you are more than welcome to attend mine here in Las Vegas. We have services tommorrow at 7:00 PM.
You are an excellent teacher, I wish I was as articulate as you.
Since I believe you are in the LV area, someone referred me to a Baptist church in Pahrump today. I couldn't seem to find a fundamental independent Baptist church on the net there. Are you aware of one?
"Regards to the King james translation of might be I have already proved that might is often used in scripture for certainties which you conveniently ignored!"
None of the verses provided prove your thesis. And no dictionary proves your thesis as well. The only thing you prove is that you are quite creative in making up definitions.
"You should determine the validity of a doctrine by whether it harmonises with the teaching of all scripture!
And to say that the redemption propitiation and reconciliation wrought by Christ are subjects that ought not to be considered in order to determine Who is intended By the world in John 3:16 is plain absurdity!"
Anthony, you use a lot of exagerated criticism. If your points were as potent as your criticism, you probably would do better in this debate.
My position harmonizes with all the doctrines of Scripture. I am sure you probably would say the same thing. But this begs the question, for we both are in disagreement over the most basic teachings of Scripture. Secondly, this type of appeal only amounts to circular reasoning.
I refer you to the example given in my previous post.
My position is more tenable than yours because I can appeal to the plain meaning of Scripture. You cannot. Your only appeal is to your other Calvinistic doctrines which are also perverted.
"context of scripture"
This is nothing more than an oxymoron.
He knows that he cannot ligitimately say in the context of John 3:16 or in the context of John chapter 3. So he generalizes it to say "in the context of Scripture" to make it appear that he is appealing to the context when in reality he is doing everything else but that.
It's no different than saying "in the context of all human knowledge." I think the latter part betrays the first.
He uses that term to make himself appear to be a contextual biblicist while providing a copout to go on a verse launching tangent and not have to appeal to any of their immediate context.
It's like the example I gave earlier:
Person: How do you know that in John 3:16 “world” means “believers only.”
Calvinist: Because John 1:29 uses it to mean believers only.
Person: How do you know that in John 1:29 “world” means “believers only.”
Calvinist: Because John 12:47 uses it to mean “believers only.
Person: How do you know that in John 12:47 “world” means “believers only.”
Calvinist: Because John 3:16 uses it to mean believers only.
Person: AhhHhhhh
Anthony is now modifying his thesis by insinuating that the common use of "world" in Scripture is different than the way it is used outside of Scripture.
Since he knows that he cannot find his Calvinistic definition in any dictionary in the world, than he is confining the meaning of the word to what the Scripture would define it as in contrast to what everything else would define it as.
A false dichotomy.
Nice try.
And if one would look up those dictionaries himself he will notice that the top three definitions alternate with each other in prominence depending on the dictionary.
Anthony and the like Calvinists refuse to submit themselves to the natural meaning of the word. They demonstrate their bias to their doctrine and their willfull ignorance by creating a definition that does not exist anywhere in the world.
Anthony, if you would take off your bias approach to Scripture you will not find it hard to determine the natural meaning of Scripture.
Miriam-Webster2 : the earth with its inhabitants and all things upon it
Encarta3. human race: all of the human inhabitants of Earth
Cambridge1. noun [S] the Earth and all the people, places and things on it:
WordSmyth2. the earth and all those who inhabit it.
Bartleboy3. The earth with its inhabitants. 4. The inhabitants of the earth; the human race
Dictionary3.The earth with its inhabitants.
Online Etymological Dictionary1.O.E. woruld, worold "human existence, the affairs of life," also "the human race, mankind,"
Ultralingua3. All of the inhabitants of the earth; "all the world loves a lover";
I can add more but I am getting weary.
Anthony asks what is the natural meaning of the word "world?"Reminds me of Pilate when he said, "What is truth?"Also of Bill Clinton when he said, "What is "is?"
Anyone that knows anything about dictionaries, know that the firsts entries given are the more common meanings while the lasts one are the least common.
If you notice the entries given, the definition that I gave (and everybody else besides the Calvinist) comes up on the top three every time.
"The greatest judgment which God Himself can, in this present life, inflict upon a man is, to leave him in the hand of his own boasted free-will."AUGUSTUS TOPLADY
Tis true. "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."
"What is the natural meaning of World?"
Big sigh.
To the Calvinist everything has to be complicated.
TATTY BYE!!
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