Me, I think he's just a neo-Calvinist who needs to read a few Spurgeonics, or maybe Bishop Ryle's commentary on the four gospels (full version).
There's a cure for every spiritual sickness if you know where to turn.
Windspirit wrote:To which I would say, Adam was a human with emotion and without sin when he was created.Ahhhh. .but, of even more importance, I would point out that you are calling into question the humanity of Christ. You didn't mean to do that with your premise, did you?
As for AdamHe disobeyed/sinned; whereas Jesus did not.
There is a distinct difference between created being and divine, in the body/soul/spirit part of first and second Adam..
1Cor 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
HoweverI repeat the point I made earlier. It is GOD who has mercy ON WHOM HE WILL.Rom 9 refers.
glue stick wrote:___________Windspirit"Without emotion, one isn't even human"BUTWithout sin one isn't human.
To which I would say, Adam was a human with emotion and without sin when he was created.
Ahhhh. .but, of even more importance, I would point out that you are calling into question the humanity of Christ. You didn't mean to do that with your premise, did you?
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To DJC49,
I know what sentimentality is, but it is often used by the stoics to refer to any emotion, as too much emotion, and for the unlearned. Do you have emotion? What is the dividing line between emotion and sentimental feelings?
Re-read my post: I said that as humans we should be guided by reason and emotion - not emotion alone - quoting myself, loosely.
The Gospel is all about Jesus, isn't it?
Salvation is a relationship with Him.
We need to forget about ourselves (the world revolving around us), and exalt the Lord Jesus Christ.
He says, "If I be lifted up, I will draw all men to myself."
This is just an observation: When concert goers are gathered around their idol on stage, you don't see them looking at themselves. They are focused in adulation (sadly) on the one onstage.
Jesus is the one to focus on - His work of redemption - His Coming Again.Our salvation is merely His exaltation. How blessed are we? But, HE is the story.Christians should get excited about that.
Par3 wrote:This is a terrible way to state this.When you say, dispassionately, that God sends the rest to hell,
When you say, dispassionately, that God sends the rest to hell,
Prov 16:1 The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD. 4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
God alone delivers from darkness
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Thus implying that the rest remain in darkness.
This next verse appears straightforward and comprehensive
16 For *BY HIM* were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
GOD alone can enable us to fight against these principalities.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
The unsaved are not provided with the armour of God. Where do you think that leaves them?
___________Windspirit"Without emotion, one isn't even human"BUTWithout sin one isn't human.
Windspirit wrote:Without emotion, one isn't even human.Even, God, shows emotion. And, emotion is absolutely related to mercy and compassion. Otherwise, they lose the very components that make them virtues. Remember, "Jesus wept."? So, God incarnate, felt real human emotion over the loss of a friend.OK. . .this diatribe is an aside to the topic at hand, but wanted to comment on your afterthought.
Whew! Talk about emotions how cold (or would it be lukewarm) does a person have to be to major on their belief of predestination and minimalize the Cross and how much Jesus deserves that we repent of our inexcuseable sins against Him and believe in Him alone to save us from our sins and love Him with all our heart for doing so?
glue stick wrote:I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."Human sentimentality has no place in true Biblical doctrine, Michael!
Human sentimentality has no place in true Biblical doctrine, Michael!
Even, God, shows emotion. And, emotion is absolutely related to mercy and compassion. Otherwise, they lose the very components that make them virtues.
Remember, "Jesus wept."? So, God incarnate, felt real human emotion over the loss of a friend.
To be fully human, fully alive, means that we have both reason and emotion (just not guided entirely by emotion).
OK. . .this diatribe is an aside to the topic at hand, but wanted to comment on your afterthought.
glue stick wrote:What Michael?? Human sentimentality has no place in true Biblical doctrine, Michael!
Michael Hranek wrote:A post like this makes the "god of total irresistable predestination and LIMITED atonement" sound more like the devil than the God Jesus Christ Himself has told us of and makes me consider just who is resisting the work of the Holy Ghost?
QuoteRomans 9::-"For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion."So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy." Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth"And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory"
"Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?" Hath not THE POTTER POWER over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto HONOUR, and another unto DISHONOUR?"
glue stick wrote:FYI God does NOTHING the way Satan does.Satan CANT do what God does.But God has mercy upon whom HE will, and sends the rest to hell.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved !!!"
glue stick wrote:But God has mercy upon whom HE will, and sends the rest to hell.
If an earthly judge sends a convicted murderer to death row, it would be because justice demanded what the law required. The judge would be fulfilling his duty in that position and would not be thought to be horrible in doing so.
When you say, dispassionately, that God sends the rest to hell, you show lack of understanding, and give ammunition to those who think Calvinists to be ruthless.
"Who won the FA cup and never scored a goal?"
Was it Arsenal in 1923 when after seven and a half hours without a goal, they decided it by flipping a coin?
John UK wrote:If you ask them in order, decently, you will find the answers you seek. Try one question.
You are confused because you are asking too many questions at one and the same time.
If you ask them in order, decently, you will find the answers you seek. Try one question.
But as God loves the whole world why does HE as you say break through with saving grace in some and not in others? Is it because the some are willing without grace or made willing first by grace. Or did God love the some more or love them differently? Confused
John UK wrote:Truth seekerI hope you're not calling me a Calvinist. Anyway Even in those who are subsequently saved, there is an initial resisting of the Holy Ghost, simply because of their spiritual deadness. But you will find that in every instance of every person in heaven, the gracious God eventually broke through with saving grace, granting life through the new birth, and repentance and faith where previously there had been rebellion and unbelief. Sure enough, God can and does do it. To him be praise and glory.
God Bless.
I hope you're not calling me a Calvinist.
Anyway
Even in those who are subsequently saved, there is an initial resisting of the Holy Ghost, simply because of their spiritual deadness. But you will find that in every instance of every person in heaven, the gracious God eventually broke through with saving grace, granting life through the new birth, and repentance and faith where previously there had been rebellion and unbelief. Sure enough, God can and does do it. To him be praise and glory.
Truth Seeker wrote:The notion that the Holy Spirit works in such a way that he cannot be resisted is palpable nonsense. Or else how can we be said to grieve him, quench him etc.?
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Do not expect or teach that this is an easy battle! Paul's teaching at Romans 7:14ff is important here.
John UK wrote:Truth seekerSure we must give equal weight to every verse of scripture. This has been my own argument. But scripture does not ever contradict itself. It is all the word of God.If I believe that Jesus is the 'author and finisher' of my faith, then I cannot fail by way of faith, can I? Therefore whatever the verse in Hebrews is saying, it is not saying it to those who have been gifted faith by the Lord Jesus Christ.
The notion that the Holy Spirit works in such a way that he cannot be resisted is palpable nonsense. Or else how can we be said to grieve him, quench him etc.?
Due proportion and weight to every verse of the Bible please.
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