One has to wonder at your understanding of even basic doctrines. If as you say the 10 commandments were completely abolished so that Christians need not worry about obedience to them, why are the same moral precepts enforced in the New Testament?
Sure, as a covenant of life, it has been abolished, because it insisted that he who would keep the law must keep it perfectly. Even as a national covenant with the nation of Israel it is abolished. But as the law is holy, and holiness means conformity to the law, obedience to it for the Christian is absolutely essential.
So now to the list of heresies you believe you have added "antinomianism"!!
Is there no end to your heresies?
MurrayA,
The question of the survey reads, "Are the ten commandments still binding on Christians"?
I answered your question which is related to the survey question by directing you to 2 Co 3. You said you are familiar with the passage and it could be an answer by inference only. I do not not know why you would say that since the law written in stone could refer to nothing other than the ten commandments. How is that a mere inference. Five times in that chapter we are told it is abolished, done away, etc.It is said to be replaced with something far better.
I will tell you MurrayA, I do not understand how you folks read the Scriptures and why you come to some of your conclusions.
Here is another passage that says the entire old covenant of law has been eliminated. It would include the 10 commandments.
Heb 8:7 For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Your understanding of the covenants seems to be deficient if you don't mind my saying so!
We may disagree its meaning but it does say it!
We ask for exegesis, and all we get from JD is a recitation of Dispensational claptrap.
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BTW, JD: an error in my last post. The Day of the Lord is he hemera tou Kuriou (not theou as I posted there), which of course, refers to the glorious Coming again of Christ, the Blessed hope etc., as in 2 Peter 3:4, 10, 12.
I believe in the Divine inspiration and supreme authority of the Holy Scriptures; I do NOT believe in the Divine inspiration and supreme authority of JD's inferences (or anyone else's).
As to Rev.1:10 being about the first day of the week, the only other serious possibility is the eschatological Day of the Lord. But here we have te kuriake hemera (cf. kuriakon deipnon, "the Lord's supper" in 1 Cor.11:20), not the same expression at all. The Day of the Lord is regularly he hemera tou theou, quite different.No, the reference is to the regular day of worship (Acts 20:7), but because John had been banished to Patmos he could not be with the brethren, but received revelations of Christ and the future instead.
I guess we are going to be treated to yet another "mystery" from the arch mystic
Can't wait to read what novelty he is going to foist on us this time.
Off you go JD.
Ah, friend, MurrayA,
Yes I will give you one if one is all you need. Try 2 co 3 and read carefully.
If this is not convincing enough, let me know and I will give you more.
You said2. The day of Christian worship (by common consent the reference is to Sunday, the first day of the week [cf. Acts 20:7]) is designated "the Lord's day", Rev.1:10.
I would be interested to know what in the text of Re 1 suggests that the Lord's day was a reference to Sunday.
Thanks, JD
Think again. In John 5 the Lord did not keep the Sabbath as re-written by the Jews, because they would not even allow acts of mercy!! If the Lord transgressed the moral law (and the Sabbath was part of the moral law) how can be he be counted righteous, let alone his righteousness be imputed to believers?
The Colossians passage is quite clearly referring to the other sabbaths which formed part of the ceremonial law-- not THE Sabbath, which was part of the moral law.
So you are on a non-starter.
Do you want to try again?
John 5:17-18 states that Christ did not keep the Sabbath. Colossians 2:14-17 expressly commands that no Christian should keep the Sabbath and thus that means that the Sabbath is no longer binding on Christians.
Do you have ch. and vs. for this proposition? I hear this allegation constantly, but I have yet to find this anywhere in the NT.
On the contrary, what I do find is this:1. The Sabbath is called by God, "My holy day" Isa.58:13
2. The day of Christian worship (by common consent the reference is to Sunday, the first day of the week [cf. Acts 20:7]) is designated "the Lord's day", Rev.1:10.
If this is not carrying over the sanctity that applied to the the Sabbath in the OT to the first day of the week under the NT, I don't know how better it could be said.
I suspect that you take this "nonalogue" (as opposed to Decalogue) view because of some theological pre-commitment.
You're right about the idolatry issue and the Satanic ecumenical movement. That's why the law needs to be made known through preaching. The whole purpose of the law is to bring knowledge of sin.
I was hoping no-one would suggest that people like me wanted to go out and sin against God. If I was, say, a serial adulterer, it would clearly be wrong.
Let me try this analogy: when New York was under British rule, murder was against the law. When the US gained their independence, murder was still not allowed. Why? Is it because they were still under British law? Note, they didn't say, 'Now that we're not under the British law forbidding murder, we can kill people whenever we want'. No: they realised it was a moral absolute of God, which was obvious even to their dulled conscience.
I hope that makes sense.
QThe law of God demands perfect obedience, and if you seek to please God by your pathetic attempts to keep it, you are going against his explicit commands.EOQ
Paul, although your comment touches on the truth of our inability in and of ourselves to keep and please God with obedience to His Law your post can give place to an enormous missrepresentation of the Law of God.
His commandments are good, are holy and it is not sin to keep them in the spirit, not the letter of the Law. As a matter of fact if you would remember they are written on the hearts and minds of believers, those born again of the Holy Spirit, and should be a delight to us to keep out of love for Jesus Christ.
By the Way the neglect of the 10 Commandments (specifically the 2nd condemning idolatry) in the churches has given place to the frightfull ecumenism where many who profess Christ are now attending Catholic Mass not facing the reality idolatry is an iniquity of those who hate the LORD.
Yes, God demands perfect obedience and Jesus has done that for us and how dare we abuse the grace of God to falsely imagine we have license to break His commandments any old time it suits our flesh to do so vainly saying we're under grace not law.
Under the Old Covenant, the Holy Ghost was out available to everyone. The Holy Ghost came upon the priests, prophets, and kings at times, but the general population did not have the Spirit.
Jesus' teachings reveal that more is required of the believers under the New Covenant than under the old. Jesus teaches that our thought life is the place where sin breeds, and we are to bring every thought into the captivity of Christ.
We do not need the law because we are filled with the Spirit and led by the Spirit. A righteous man walks in obedience because of his love for God and holiness. We cannot be righteous within our selves. Only God is holy, and the indwelling of His Spirit brings holiness to the believer.
"That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Rom. 8:4)
"...Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh..." (Gal. 5:16-17).
I cannot find anywhere in the NT an indication that God's law has been split up, and that one bit applies to us and another doesn't, never mind splitting the ten commandments up.
The law of God demands perfect obedience, and if you seek to please God by your pathetic attempts to keep it, you are going against his explicit commands.
God not only didn’t have to repeat himself, He didn’t have to state the “moral” laws the first time; moral laws are written in the hearts of man.Nevertheless commandments 1-3 and 5-10 are found in Paul’s writings as being applicable to the Believer (not for salvation). However the keeping of the Jewish religious Sabbath has never been commanded to Gentile believers. The Apostle Paul actually comes down very hard on Sabbath keepers. Col 2:16; Gal. 4:9-11; Rom. 14:5-6
How many times does God have to repeat Himself concerning Gentiles and the Sabbath?
Gal. 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven , preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed . 9 As we said before, so say I now again , If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
That which is spiritual cannot be replicated by that which is physical. No photograph or written description of a person can replicate that person.
Even so, no set of written rules can replicate the Law of God. At best, the Decalogue is an imperfect representation of the Law. The Talmud is a manual for exploiting loopholes in the representation.
Jesus did not destroy the eternal, unchanging Law of God, but his death did dissolve the Old Covenant -- and with it, the national status of Israel and the Law of Moses.
The Christian who lives fully in accordance with principle "You are to love the Lord your God with all your heart, and your are to love your neighbour as yourself" is keeping the Law of God. He is not bound by the letter of the Law of Moses.
Matthew 22:35-40, Mark 12:28-34, Luke 10:25-28, Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14.
It is somewhat like being given the freedom to run red lights and ignore stop signs, so long as you are careful not to endanger others. The Christian need only concern himself with the spirit (that is, the purpose) of the Law, and not with the letter of the Law.
Luke 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, = ("OT")
"Is the law so abolished that we have nothing to do with it? I answer, the law, so far as it is a rule of life, a bridle to keep us in the fear of the Lord, a spur to correct the sluggishness of our flesh, — so far, in short, as it is
“profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that believers may be instructed in every good work,” (2 Timothy 3:16, 17,)
— is as much in force as ever, and remains untouched."
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