The only thing missing is that we tend to see "Liar, Liar, pants on fire" and "Nyah, Nyah!" a little less frequently...
That must be in the Calvinist Bible located somewhere in the fanciful land of the Calvinist.
Ha! How precious.
Calvinist Gospel: God allows you to be damned.
So if your seeking permission. Do not bother asking.
It is not a grammatical error (your grammar was fine); it was a theological error.
Thank you SA.
Example, the Greeks have three words for love, meaning different things, eros meaning physical love or attraction; phileo, meaning a close friendship type of love, and agape, meaning an unconditional type of love. English only has "love" and leaves the meaning to context.
But Ill grant, you did catch me in a grammatical error. What I should have said is that reprobation is God's allowance of people to go to their damnation. But here's the thing , God does not force anyone to sin. Get it straight, eternal decrees concern actions that occur in time. That is how Ephesians 1 can say that God adopted His children before the foundation of the world, yet Jesus also says that the Father draws them in time.
I'll finish this later.
Our not so expert English tutor - perhaps you will explain to us what you mean by "a passive action" - presumably the same as "God passively giving peope to their destruction"?
Stick to Spanish, and leave English to the educated!
Election is God actively saving those whom He adopts, while reprobation is God passively giving people to their destruction.
As to the "Romans 9 refers to nations not people" argument, let me ask you this. Why does Paul consistently use specific persons in this chapter in reference to God's work?
Now don't misunderstand. I see the argument from 9:4 where Paul makes reference to the Israelites. But even then, Paul identifies the nation of Israel, not in the physical sense (9:6) but says that the children of Israel are a nation in the spiritual sense by union with Christ.
But Paul's constant reference of specific individuals seems to trump either of the views that Paul is discussing nations in this chapter.
And even then, one could say we resist God's will everyday, but no matter what we do, as God's Word will accomplish what God desires of it (Isaiah 55:11) and no one can shake the plans of the Lord (Psalm 33:11).
Here's a website that lists Bible verse s that reference divine sovereignity, even over the actions of the wicked. http://home.flash.net/~thinkman/articles/sov1.html
After a while, some would probably side with Marcion with the theological confusion going on today.
El Elyon's grace.
So for the discussion
Is this Westborough Baptist Church Group hateful because they were "Predestinated" to be hateful?
Or has their Zealous Calvinism driven them to be hateful?
Have "fun" with this as in reality I hold the opinion that there is something God wants us to see and realize here about this whole mess.
I don't know about you all but for me it probably means some weeping that we human beings can so twist the precious Word of God into making it something ugly.
Mike said: "Silly. Everyone who sins hath resisted His will, unless you would have God be the author of sin."
Oh prattler, etc, said: "Not another dense person! When are you lot going to understand that Pharoah could not withstand God- sure his resistance to God's will (to let his people go) was sin, but the main point being made is that even that sin did not stop God from accomplishing his design."
When are you going to understand that resistance is opposition, not necessarily the withstanding of that resisted? Why do you hold them to mean the same thing? Of course resistance/sin does not stop God from accomplishing his design. What are you arguing about?
Are'nt you special
Silly. Everyone who sins hath resisted His will, unless you would have God be the author of sin.)))))
Not another dense person! When are you lot going to understand that Pharoah could not withstand God- sure his resistance to God's will (to let his people go) was sin, but the main point being made is that even that sin did not stop God from accomplishing his design. And in fact that God determined to harden Pharoah's heart so that he could do no other than resist. And this glorifies God as God "who will have mercy on whom he will have mercy and whom he will he hardeneth" But this sort of teaching has no room in your difficient man made theology!!
In Romans 9 the point being Israel should not complain that God has chosen the gentiles. See Jeremiah 18 where Pauls quote in Romans is drawn from.
Jer 18:6-7 "House of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith Jehovah. Behold, as the clay in the potter's hand, so are ye in my hand, house of Israel. At the moment that I speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, and to break down, and to destroy"
The exact same thing - he predetermined they should be damned. Meaning he created them reprobate and witheld any ability to repent.
So if you believe that, who are you to preach against what God has chosen to do in allowing some to be homos? They are only obeying Gods will according to you.
Please quit equating reprobation and election.
Homos deserve hell, as we all did before God saved us (from the perspective of time bound creatures).
The way you guys talk, you make Calvinists out to be fatalists, which is false. God ordains both the ends and the means. We choose what we want to do, but God directs us (Proverbs 16:9).
God by no means forces us to do anything, but uses what we do to fulfill His purposes (Genesis 50, cant remember the exact verse).
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