You are assuming that which you have yet to prove - namely, that Daniel's 70th week is the time during wihch your fabled future antichrist will reign. The fact is, the 70th week followed the 69th week.
ck: "The kingdoms are chronologically arranged but not a set amount of time for each as you suggest."
Please show Scriptural justification for your opinion, regarding the latter half of that statement.
ck: "With that in mind, there is no gap in the structure..."
There certainly IS, if you believe the Little Horn has yet to arise from a "revived" Roman Empire in the 21st century or later, rather than from the original kingdoms that resulted from the Empire's dissolution in the 5th century!
Your futurist scheme flies directly in the face of Daniel's interpretation of the rest of the image...not to mention going against recorded history!
It's always easy to win a discussion, when your position rests entirely upon your interpretation of how the future will play out. The Jews in Christ's day had the same problem.
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Are you listening to yourself? You clearly aren't paying attention to the question.
I said: Knowing the Holy Spirit was given to guide the elect into all truth, who was teaching and preaching prophetic truth during the Reformation?
ck replies: "So, you dare assert only the reformed are the elect?"
Please pay close attention here. The word of God states that the Holy Spirit was given to guide the elect into *all* truth (John 16:13)...that includes "things to come."
The word of God also states in Matthew 24:24 that the elect CANNOT be deceived by the lying signs and wonders performed by false Christs and false prophets...including those performed by the Antichrist/man of sin (cf. 2 Thes 2:9).
Keeping those two BIBLICAL truths in mind, we can deduce that the elect would have been the *only* ones teaching and preaching prophetic truths during the Reformation, for the earth is never without the Lord's witnesses (Matt 16:18).
My question to you, therefore, is quite simple:
Where were the elect during the Reformation?
However, CK neglects to add himself into the mix.
Perhaps CK's view of the impossibility of correctly interpreting prophetic Scripture is completely erroneous.
That is the view I take of CK's opinion.
Who, then, is correct?
Let us ask Christ. In the Revelation, Christ promises something no other epistle promises --- "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear [RECEIVE, UNDERSTAND AND BELIEVE]the words of this prophecy, and keep [CONTINUE TO BELIEVE] those things which are written therein....."
CK would have the readers believe the Revelation cannot be understood and no one has been blessed in 2,000 years.
It is Christ's will we understand the prophecy He gave John. The Revelation reveals, it does not hide. However, it is also true that Christ does not will to reveal these mysteries to all people. This hard truth is taught in Matt. 13:11, for example.
"It is given unto you [the Elect] to know the mysteries of the kingdom of Heaven, but to them [the unbelievers] it is not given."
For centuries, Christians have understood the great truths contained in the Revelation.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here [is] Christ, or there; believe [it] not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
It appears that mr Winburn has also jumped on the exclusive reformed bandwagon which asserts that only those of the reformed persuasion (or those of like beliefs concerning the pope being The Anti-Christ) to rally falsehood and scripture twisting to his detriment. Gentlemen, before things get out of hand, let it be known that all scripture quoted is infallible and inerrant, no doubt here about that. However, men's interpretation of that scripture is not, I don't care how you wrest it, we are but mere men endowed with the Holy Spirit of God.....cont..
Incredibly, the infallible Word of God has much to say on this *esoteric* subject:(1) Matt. 24:24 --- "If it were possible, even the Elect would be deceived".....referring to the false prophets and false Christs [Antichrists] who would arise in Church history. It is not possible the Elect will be deceived by the dynasty of Popes - Antichrists - who claim to come in the name and high authority of Christ.(2) 2 Thess. 2:9-13 --- the beloved of the Lord [Elect] were chosen for salvation and belief of the truth. What truth was the subject of 2 Thess 2?? It was the truth of the Man of Sin, aka, Antichrist....his office, character and works described in detail that the Elect would not be deceived as to his true identity.(3) 1 Timothy 4:1-3 --- "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly....." --- Christ promises only the Elect, His sheep, will hear His voice and believe His doctrine and understand His prophecies [John 10:26-27](4) Rev. 13:8 & 17:8 --- Only the Elect, written in the Book of Life, will recognize the Beast, aka, the Antichrist. All others will wonder and even worship him.
Scriptures are not silent regarding the importance of one's prophetic wisdom.
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So, you dare assert only the reformed are the elect?
Care to answer any of my questions or you just going to shove them out one after another to avoid having to deal with the hard questions?
I have done no such thing!
With each post I've made here, I've dropped bits and pieces of historic information - easily verifiable information - all of which proves prophecy has been fulfilled, and all of which you have ignored, hoping it will be forgotten.
I have provided hard evidence in each post; you have provided speculation, guesswork, and your *assurance* that you're right.
The saints from the 12th to 19th centuries are unanimously in agreement with me in identifying the Pope as the Antichrist; while the only ones in agreement with your eschatological views during that same era are the Papists!
And now, with your latest set of posts, you're trying to steer the discussion into the weeds by bringing up the millennium and national Israel. Why don't you deal with my questions for once?
1) In Dan. 2, where do you find justification for a GAP between the legs of iron and the feet and toes of iron mixed with clay?
2) Knowing the Holy Spirit was given to guide the elect into all truth, who was teaching and preaching prophetic truth during the Reformation? (this is the 4th time I've asked this question!)
He is our adversary who "prowls about like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour" (1 Peter 5:8).
In the church age he was able to fill the heart of Ananias (Acts 5:3) and "thwart" the work of God's ministers (1 Thess. 2:18).
He is one for whom we must protect ourselves from by putting on the whole armor of God (Ephesians 6:10-19).
Satan's influence in this age is so great that John declared "the whole world lies in the power of the evil one" (1 John 5:19). These passages do not depict a being who has been bound and shut up in a pit.
There is a theme of Satan's continual workings on planet earth throughout the Life of Christ and even unto the end of the bible. It is inconceivable that he is bound in the bottomless pit when all the evidence contrasts!
ps.that which hinders the works of darkness is the Holy Spirit of God!
How can you perpetrate the fraud that the millenial reign of Christ is now? Is satan bound in the lake of fire where he cannot decieve the nations anymore? I think not, for the God of this world blinds the hearts of unbelievers, how can he be bound and still loosed to wreak deception on the earth? he cannot, so lets see what saith the Scriptures? Is he bound? cont........
The problem you are having is that you have made everything from chapter 4 to the end of the Revelation all future, when the fact is, it was future IN JOHN'S DAY!
Since then, *much* history has been recorded...all of which you have been completely ignoring, such as the moving of the seat of the Roman Empire to Byzantium (which allowed the Popes to usurp the throne in Rome, which beforehand they would not share with the Emperors), as well as the dissolution of the Roman Empire via Barbarian invasions. All of that constituted the removal of that which hindered - the Roman Empire - and resulted in the gradual rise of the Papacy!
Where do you find justification for a GAP between the legs of iron and the feet and toes of iron mixed with clay in the book of Daniel?
You are quick to "assure" us that the Antichrist is yet to come.
You are quick to tell us that Rev. 12:12 pertains to "the last seven years of which 3 1/2 will be the worst the world has ever seen. The devil comes to earth."
You are quick to tell us that "there is another [false prophet] coming with much more power and persuasion than [the pope]..."
You are quick to tell us that "THE Anti-Christ is the devil incarnate..."
You are quick to tell us, concerning the devil's so-called incarnation, that "whether he does this in the body of a pope or not remains to be seen..."
Yet, despite your bewilderment, you are equally quick to tell us "it will happen."
You are quick to tell us that "THE Anti-Christ is not [already in the world]"
And, thus saith ck, we "will know when he is...."
ALL YOU DO IS SPECULATE!
I, on the other hand, have provided Scriptural and historical examples that prove much of the Revelation has been fulfilled (not all)!
TIME is the surest interpreter of prophecy, yet you sweep all recorded history under the rug, in favor of Jesuit-crafted Futurist fables!
Regarding Antichrist's appearance on the world scene, ck says: "you will know when he is...."
Indeed. Why don't you recognize him?
Rev 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
It contains things that were, things that are, and things which shall be. So, what are the main elements which 'shall be here after' in your opinion? Considering the prophetic nature of the book, we would expect to see major prophetc utterance of the things here after would we not? And we do, you just have it sliced all wrong is all.
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