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Should Christian Contemporary Music be used in fundamental churches?
Created: 6/26/2003 | Last Vote: 11 years ago | Comment: 17 years ago
Disclaimer: These surveys are created by PLUS or FULL Members of the site and, unless specified, are not created by the SermonAudio staff nor do they necessarily reflect the site's position on any topic.

 •   Yes
  22% | 615 votes

 •   No
  59% | 1,637 votes

 •   If free of the rock beat- yes, if not -no
  13% | 352 votes

 •   No opinion
  4% | 117 votes

 •   No answer. Skip this survey, I do not care to vote on this topic.
  3% | 76 votes

   

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Survey7/31/03 8:42 PM
Benjamin Rees | Hong Kong  Contact via email
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I think the question is badly phrased "SHOULD CCM be used ..." implies a degree of "ought-ness" -- that the churches "ought to" use such music, that they would be better off using such music, etc. My answer to THIS question is "not necessarily."

On the other hand, if the question were "MAY CCM be used ...", this would imply the aspect of "permission" or "acceptability", i.e. "do God's laws allow fundamental churches to use such music." My answer to this would be, "of course."

One of the things I object to about these "music wars" is the way BOTH sides try to portray their personal choice of music as most acceptable to God. The CCM side implies -- or even says, outright -- that their "praise and worship" songs are the only true "praise and worship" that there is today, i.e. that those who do not use such music are not really "worshipping". The "traditional hymns" side claims that CCM is irreverent, disrespectful, or even Satanic in origin. (And both sides try to prove their point by pointing to the worst, not the best, of the music used by the other side.)

Music is NOT neutral. It arouses powerful emotions. (These debates clearly demonstrate that point!) But what any given style of music "says" to those who hear it varies according to the background of the hearer. Some types of music may NOT be appropriate for use at certain times, in certain situations, and with particular audiences. But that doesn't mean that that style of music will never be suitable for Christian use. In a different cultural milieu it may be the most appropriate style.

Having said that, I think that Christians ought not to be slaves to any particular style, but ought to use the BEST of EVERY style that is acceptable in the given situation. I feel a sad sense of loss when some of the really magnificent music of past generations and past centuries is crowded out by choruses that are trite, repetitive and hard to sing (especially without the music being provided), but happen to be the latest "hits" from the current darlings of the CCM scene.


Survey7/29/03 6:03 PM
Andy Pullen | Paris, IL  Contact via email
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We should not sound like the world and that is why ccm or christian rock is wrong, it sounds too much like the world.

Survey7/29/03 6:03 PM
Stan Stewart | Citrus Springs, Florida  Contact via email
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I am a Southern Baptist Pastor and a conservative. I personally enjoy much of the contemporary Christian music today. Most of these singers have a great message and a very concerned heart to reach people for Christ. In our own church we use a blended worship, choruses and hymns. There are times when someone will sing a solo of a current contemporary song. I have been to Promise Keepers and both are sung in those meetings and the one I attended this summer, say many men come to know Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. Fanny Crosby was certainly inspired to write great hymns in her day and God is still inspiring people to write music in this century. While many would condemn CCM in the church, I see they like the cushion pews, sound systems and airconditioning. Seems to me that was not in vogue, even when I was a kid in church. God be praised. And by the way, it is OK to have fun as a Christian.

Survey7/29/03 3:40 PM
Michael | Louisiana  Contact via email
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Contrary to what many would have us to believe, Luther did not use the barroom tunes of his day. Those who use Luther in defense of CCM have a shallow understanding of history. If you read anything by Luther you would see that he too saw the difference between good and bad music. Most of what Luther borrowed from was religious based and the even the secular music that he borrowed from was modified. Yet still he used secular music. One point that must be made clear is that even secular music was controlled somewhat by the church. Yes, Luther did say "Why should the devil have all the good tunes?" And yes, this quote is often taken way out of context. The truth is that there was no congregational singing in the church. Parishioners were required to remain silent in church and had grown accustomed to singing what they had heard on the street. You also mentioned the "new song". Again this has been taken out of context. This does not mean new chronologically but new in quality.

Survey7/29/03 3:19 PM
Robert Perry | Chaska MN  Contact via email
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I don't know about Luther, but I've been told that William Booth of the Salvation Army did this.

One caution, however; not every age has embraced the rampant sexuality of today's popular music. Luther may have gone to the pub, but not the bordello.


Survey7/29/03 12:37 AM
Chris McNeill | Greenville, TX  Contact via email
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What a debate. CCM, vs. Contemporary. Hymns vs. Choruses. Old vs. New. Traditional vs. Modern.

It would seem to me that throughout the ages that the Lord is in the business of redeeming the world, not condemning it. To say that CCM is of the devil is rather harsh. Mind you, that there are a great, great many apostates out there selling sludge marketed under the name “Christian”. Wow. MWS, Amy Grant, threw the doors WIDE open.

However, it seems to me that the point being missed is our Tradition. Where do you think those old hymns came from? Martin Luther made the statement, “Why should the devil have all the good songs?”, and consequently used the bar tunes of his time (no doubt viewed by the “contemporary” church the same way that “rock” is today) to bring the words of faith to the common man. Did he not? He redeemed the music, to the glory of God. What did the early 1900’s church look like, musically? Does anyone dispute the notion that country-western honky-tonk-bar tunes did and do, in fact, influence the Hymnal of early last century? I’ll go you one further. The hymn writers of today, the ones being held in high esteem (or should I say, the ones publishing their own hymns—see sermonaudio’s own Frank Garlock) are nothing more than old 1950 and 60’s broadway musical’s rewritten. Is this the standard we are to hold up as biblical?

What of jazz, fusion, folk, pop, reggae, swing, bigband, celtic, world beat, plains music, country/western, Asian, African, and the rest? I assume by “rock” that you are including all of the above? Do we save someone and then tell them the only worship God accepts is something written by the three “B’s”? and oh, by the way, you must sing in English as well, or are we in the wrong by not singing in German, or Latin?

Let’s focus on the following points: God does not mandate any type of musical instrument in the bible. You may not like a heavy dose of drums, but do not confuse that with God’s preference. The Lord is a warrior. He mandates no key signature, tempo or beat (by the way, all music has a beat—there are some that you might like, and some you might not like, but ALL music has a beat). He does not even say, only Jewish music is acceptable, or NT church music (or the lack thereof, not to offend my good Church of Christ buddies). And if we are to only follow one or the other, then the bible is wrong when it says “sing a NEW” song. Yes?

We should be in the habit of redeeming what is in the world. Now, let me be clear: This CANNOT mean, looking like the world, or sounding like the world. GOD IS NOT JUST LOVE. He is justice, mercy, grace and holiness all in one. Our music should reflect this. Our art should reflect this. Our lives should reflect this. Piety was once defined as directing one’s whole life and being towards God. Music should be the same. That does not dictate the tempo, beat, key signature or number of repetitions of a song. It directs the soul of the one singing. It does not direct the way a microphone is held, or how close to the mouth it is (I’ve done a great number of solos in Handel’s “Messiah” with the mic just as close to my mouth as P&W music).

And if you’re going to define the discussion, please take the time to understand the meanings of the words you use.

My take,

Chris


Survey7/28/03 9:05 PM
Mr. Music  Contact via email
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well, the question should'nt be "CCM" on it, it confuses some people, well, im not that confused but i mean others her. it should ne "christian rock"

Survey7/28/03 7:53 PM
CBS | Indiana  
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Andy Pullen, you hit the nail on the head. I get tired of people calling those who try to apply the Bible faithfully as "judgmental", "legalistic" etc. In many areas including this one, trying to adopt a Biblical position should never be called "judgmental". What the Bible refers to when it talks about not judging is judging others by a different standard than that to which you hold yourself. What legalism means is attempting to be saved by the works of the law instead of by repentance and faith. Trying to behave Christianly after salvation is not legalism.

Survey7/28/03 5:29 PM
BH | USA  
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I think Weston has answered the question of why is the church is such a state of apostasy. More and more people are going to church for its entertainment value while souls are perishing into an eternal hell fire to spend eternity separated from God. Apostate Christianity is looking for fun songs and joke-telling teachers to tickle their funny bone and to satsfy their lustful desires. We are called to worship and to praise a holy and Almighty God, not to entertain Him. I am pretty sure He is not amused but raging in anger and in fury for the way we have desecrated His holy temple with the pleasures of the world.

Survey7/28/03 3:13 PM
Don | Ohio  Contact via email
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POD as worthy of our attention? Are we so swept up in the American Brand of "spirituality" we actually view these guys as doctinally sound? Let's take "church" to an Ozzy Osborne concert. Who knows, somebody might get saved. "Behold, our concept of evangelism." No thanks.

Survey7/26/03 12:17 AM
Weston | Spring, TX  Contact via email
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Lest any of you fear that all doctrinal integrity has been lost from CCM, I suggest you check out Caedmon's Call, Steven Curtis Chapman, Shane Barnard, Caleb Carruth, David Crowder, Rich Mullins, Third Day, or Chris Tomlin.

As to "Christian Rock": I'm a big fan of Relient K. They are Christians who make music which I enjoy listening to. The rock beats are fun and the lyrics are usually really funny. I don't claim to worship to their music, it's just enjoyable music that has clean lyrics and sometimes a positive message. I think the same can be said for Audio Adrenaline, Superchick, Kutless, POD, and Lifehouse. I wouldn't play these music in a worship service though.

Peace, Weston


Survey7/15/03 5:56 PM
Andy Pullen | Paris, IL  Contact via email
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My problem is not with how new or how old a song is but with what kind of music it uses. If it is a rock beat then I have a problem with it. If it sounds like the world then it is of the world. One can not add the world to some Christian words and call it Christian. James 4:4 states "Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God." As far as how new a song is does not matter we sing new hymns "Because He lives" and "He Touched me" by the Gaither's and they have been written within my lifetime. So comtempary I have no problem with but Contempary Christain (Rock) Music I do.

Survey7/11/03 10:25 AM
STEVE | Belfast  
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2 extremes as always to avoid- the first the obcession with always having to have something new and contempory and this being equated with the now emphasis of the Holy Spirit- almost gives the impression that if you are not singing the latest you are not in touch with what God is saying and doing -much of the drive to the new is the world.
The other extreme is just as bad-old is spiritual- hymns are better because they have words and music of content and quality-lets get real here that's a matter of taste usually you can be for both not either or-in the same sense some have went for written, liturgical prayers because they are more beautiful and have more content-but a prayer or a song from your heart is worth a million of someone else' whether old or new-lets not forget its worship in spirit and truth . the externals must be flexible and not become sacred cows you can be absolutely sure David sang contempory for his time .

Survey7/9/03 4:50 PM
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I suggest you guys to read the articles on biblebelievers.com, or biblebelievers.net, find the christian rock on the side of the home page, then read the articles....thanks

Survey7/9/03 4:02 PM
Francis Schneider | France  Contact via email
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As a french christian, I'm glad to see what christian ressources you have in the States ! The protestants in my country are not more as 1,5 percent of the population (the evangelicals are about the half of it, I think).
The best read books among the evangelicals are translations from the American, and your music is "the" ultimate reference...
I am sad to see how business has infected your christian music -is it a matter of colture ?- but I must say that you are ahead technically !
I compose hymns, in my language, and an american , Dale Anderson, does the harmonization. It is contemporary, because it is written in our days. But it is not in the main stream of the many, many praise songs. I think that every generation, of every culture, has the responsibility to compose in the langage of its time. Not only praise songs but songs to edify, to convince, etc. The Bible is sooo rich ! Why using always the same phrases ?
Fondamental churches, as the mine in Alsace, need new songs, in a continual renewal. But they need also to sing and live the treasures of the past. In our treasure box of songs, we shall pick old an new stuff.
Thank you for reading me. Could someone show me a site with examples (midi files) of good contemporary music ?
Thank you for the fellowship in Christ, and for the rebuke if necessary ! What you decide in America finds its echo may be five years later in France ! So, be wise and think it over !
('scuse my english !)
Francis.

Survey7/8/03 8:08 PM
Michael | Louisiana  Contact via email
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Anonymous, the principle to remember here is answered by the question "How do I live my Christian life?" Have I been totally transformed by the saving knowledge of Christ? Or do I live like my old self and add Jesus every now and then? Christ ought to be my entire life, not just a new ingredient in the mix.

Survey7/8/03 6:19 PM
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I wonder about music used in worship that sounds just like the music of the world, but has supposedly “Christian” lyrics. I would think, music that glorifies God would not sound just like any random secular radio station. What is the purpose of man anyway? Man’s chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him forever. Do we glorify God by using the tools of the world?(Or rather the worlds music put to Christian lyrics?) What do you think?

Survey7/8/03 4:33 PM
Michael | Louisiana  Contact via email
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After reading the many comments, Ive seen that both sides of this debate are being dominated by people who aren't really qualified. to speak on the subject. Rather than use some emotion filled argument, I would like to invite you to observe some principles set down in Scripture. I wont use name-calling. I won't use my own personal opinion. I'm going to use something here that will sound totally unrelated but please bear with me. In the Lord's prayer, Christ tells His Father, "Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven". The will of God comes down through the Church and out into the world. It is not a place where we appeal to the flesh in order to "get people in". "Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God" not by music. Later in the same passage, Paul asks, "How shall they hear without a preacher (or proclaimer). If you want to see people saved, you can't just stay inside and play music that will attract them. I've seen too many comments saying that a particular song is "fun" to listen to or that a particular style of music is enjoyable. Let's realize that we shouldn't be singing to make ourselves feel good but to glorify our Father in heaven, to do his will and to offer our best unto Him. Now before you jump to say "Yes, I'm glorifying God", step back and ask yourself, "Is this the absolute best that I can offer?" Cain didnt offer his best. He offered what was easiest to give. No matter how sincere Cain was, his offering was not what God wanted. Next ask. "Am I doing this to please God or myself?" Are singing the music because you like it and because it makes you happy, or are you trying to honor God. Lastly ask yourself if the things you do, including listening to music, are truly motivated by a desire to see others come to truly know the Lord and His righteousness. You cant answer the above survey question without searching the Bible and seeking out principles that will drive your answer

Survey7/8/03 1:33 AM
William | Texas  Contact via email
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Im not against the drumbeat or anything loud. I enjoy all types of music. I think Music should only be labeled "Christian" if it is indeed Christian. Most of what passes today is not. We have "Christian bands" out there singing wrong doctrine and the wrong gospel (arminian gospel) I have no problem with any Christian music as long as it is truly Christian. I will not take the legalistic pharisee premise and even begin to argue drumbeats or loudness of music it is absurd to do such. If it is sound in the Gospel I do not care what musical range it is.

Survey7/7/03 1:43 PM
Robert Perry | Chaska MN  Contact via email
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Amen, Rick, for the "Doctrinally challenged" comment. Some CCM is decent, but my feeling is that the majority of it an emotional plea set to a cheesy 12 bar blues.

(the beat behind the one song that the Beach Boys sing)

What is worse than mediocre lyrics to the 12 bar blues; the same with about ten more "musicians" to make it louder.

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