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“ I think you're missing Peter's end game ” Sir, I think you are missing the point of the passage that Peter is using as a source. In Isaiah 66 (65-66 establishes the New Heaven and New Earth envisioned innscripture) we see a scene where God is punishing the idol worshipping apostate members of Israel. He does so by drawing "all nations" to a climactic battle. When it's over, a new Heaven and new earth has been created. In it, people head out to the farthest reaches of the world to evangelize people who have never heard of God and didn't know the great battle took place. Clearly, in the New Heaven and New Earth behind the language of 2nd Peter 3 we still see death, sin, and successful evangelism.
ALFRED (6/11/2016)
from Godwin
“ Reply To Pastor Bill ” To answer your specific ? Daniels prophecy states that after 69 weeks or 483 yrs the messiah would be cutoff. This is after his anointing in Mark 1:9-11. Therefore we are now into the final week 70th week. In the middle of the week he would be cutoff or crucified. We can debate on exact dates etc, but there is no debating in my opinion that Daniel 9 is a messianic prophecy of the highest accuracy of the coming of the messiah. I don't see how anyone can substitute the messiah with the anti-Christ. Unless their presuppositions has a future 7r tribulation with a focus on ethnic or national Israel. But 70 AD finish that for good.
ALFRED (6/9/2016)
from Godwin
“ Reply To Pastor Bill ” I have come full circle on my eschatology. From a Dispensational pre-trib rapture and pre-millennial view to a reform view of the end times. My eschatology finally caught up with my soteriology.
Matt 24:1-35 has been fulfilled and 36-51 and Matt 25 are future. Still yet to come. Daniels' 70th week or a future 7 yr trib is the backbone of the pre-trib dispenationalist as you well know. Take it away and dispensationalism falls apart. Apostasy, persecution of the Church and the beast or the man of sin is all that we should be watching for. 2 Thess 2.
Pastor Bill (6/7/2016)
from Fayetteville, North Carolina
“ Reply to Alfred ” Regarding reality to the believer...yes, I agree the sacrifices were finished at his crucifixion.
You must, then, believe the 69th week ended at his baptism...3.5 years before his death?
ALFRED (6/5/2016)
from Godwin
“ Reply To Pastor Bill ” No, on the contrary, the temple worship and sacrifices continue, right up until 70 AD. Jesus' sacrifice should have ended them, the tearing of the veil was evidence to that. In fact it did end for the elect, the true Israel of God.l No more circumcision of the flesh, the new covenant, Heb. 10:12-18. It is Finish means what it says. Don't you think?
Pastor Bill (5/27/2016)
from Fayetteville, North Carolina
“ Reply to Alfred ” Dear Friend,
You are assuming that the "tearing of the veil" ended "sacrifice and oblation." Where is your proof to this statement? As a matter of fact, the writer of Hebrews says the opposite: Hebrews 9:25, for example.
ALFRED (5/26/2016)
from Godwin
“ Great Sermon! ” There are many double fulfillments in the bible and I agree this is one. Nut, I believe this generation that Jesus is referring to is that generation of Jews alive at the time. Those who would see the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. As for Daniel 9, I believe the scripture is referring to Jesus not the Beast. Jesus is the one cutoff in the middle of the week, He is the one who shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease. In Matt 27:51 the veil was torn into, making an end of temple sacrifices and oblations. Hebrews, Jesus made one sacrifice for all, just once. After the veil was torn Jews continue with temple worship, sacrifices and offerings. This was an abomination to the Lord and in 70 AD with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple, Jesus put an end to it and made it desolate. And it will remain desolate until the consummation of the age or Kingdom. I do not believe there is an 70th week of Daniel as taught by many pre-trib/pre-mil believers.
Pastor Sean Harris has been the Senior Pastor for Berean Baptist Church and Academy in Fayetteville, NC since 2006. He served as a member, lay teacher and deacon at Berean from 1987 until he became the Senior Pastor. As the Senior Pastor, he oversees Berean’s ministry to over...
