Finally got around to getting Dr. Michael Brown on the program to discuss the extent of the atonement. Just over 90 minutes of uncompromising, brotherly, respectful discussion of yet another topic upon which we disagree. Hopefully useful to all---and just wait till you see the explosion of color, too! Remember, this is the last program for the week as I am headed for Virginia for the Trinity Conference, but we will be back at it (with lots to discuss!) next week!
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Great Sermon! Brother when Dr. Brown confronted you with the idea that if someone is seriously inquiring if they may be saved and if Jesus died for them, that you would be unable to tell them yes for sure...I believe he thought he had you on that one. I would have pointed him to John 6:37 All that the Fathet gives me will come to me and (therefore) whoever comes to me i will never turn away. Dr. Brown makes Christ out to be a liar by his arguments. Our Lord is the one who tells us the Father's plan and that there are some He has given to the Son to save. He says this throughout John's gospel. Arguing against this truth comes from fleshly emotions that are rooted in the sinful idea that God owes fallen man anything. He could have left us to all perish but He did not and so we ought to be grateful for His kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. Also, the gospel is not, Christ died for you...it is that Christ died for our (believers') sins, etc...and this invitation is given to those who are weary and heavy laden. "Come unto me all you who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest..." Matt. 11:28. And so to Dr. Brown, your person inquiring after salvation should be given this message, Christ died for sinners and promises to save all who come to Him for salvation. Are you inquiring after
Jeremy (11/14/2019)
from Pennsylvania
Great Sermon! Great friendly discussion between 2 well intending men. For those in the universal atonement camp I would challenge you to consider Jesus' words in John 6:37 "All that the Father gives me will come to me..." and just camp our right there and ask God to reveal its meaning to you. Also, please consider the teaching of the Holy Spirit in Ephesians concerning the fact that salvation is said to be God quickening or resurrecting the one who was formerly dead in trespasses and sins. Those whom God raises from the death of sin to faith in Christ and eternal life cannot be lost and God will keep them to the end. Start here and understand this, and then interpret the rest of scripture accordingly and you'll find it all fits together nicely. Oh, I John 2:2 is John reminding his hearers that it wasn't merely a Jewish Atonement at the cross, but it extends to the whole world. But dear free will person will you not see the fact that if Christ bore Judas' sins on the tree then God cannot punish Judas for his sins. He cannot punish sin twice, first in Christ, then in you. OT sacrifices were offered as a type or shadow and only temporarily covered sin. Christ made a real atonement that took sin away once and for all. He came into the world to save sinners, not so they "could" be saved. He raises
James White is the director of Alpha and Omega Ministries, a Christian apologetics organization based in Phoenix, Arizona. He is a professor, having taught Greek, New Testament Textual Criticism, Church history, and various topics in the field of apologetics. He has authored or...