Mike wrote:
Yet one of the Roman occupiers was called a just man who feared God. Somehow it must have got left out of Scripture the part where he was told he shouldn't be carrying assault swords and military hardware in the community.

What God does not provide for in Scripture is the potential to arm everybody in the nation to administer assault rifle "justice" to criminals, as many posters have advocated.

Lurker wrote:
And what of your moniker.... "there is hope"?
... a hint of a Christian perspective from you regarding the right to bear arms in this country.

Re: "Christian perspective" That is what I am posting because I am a Christian. After all the Bible illustrates that we are not to advocate walking around with assault rifles and other military hardware in our community.

Try as I might I can't find Jesus or Paul or anybody teaching, that as Christians we are to implore and impel our neighbours and children to arm themselves to the teeth to convey justice in the community.
Which verse do you find "assault rifle" in?

ps Ever read "43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; Matt 5.
= You see nothing about assault rifle as justice?

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Kyle wrote:
I mean, if you were not the victim of a crime, nobody ever will be ...

Ginsmith wrote:
A right that was put there from the beginning in order to protect the people from an oppressive government

Mike wrote:
You brought up the gangsters of the early 20th century.

Lurker wrote:
But, honestly, you are wasting your oxygen arguing against the right to bear arms in the USA

Unprofitable Servant wrote:
1. You have no answer to the fact that Washington D.C. has the toughest gun control laws in our country

2. Gun control does work, it works to give an advantage to the criminals

3. So, I am respectfully dropping out of any further responses on this story

2. "Gun control???" In other words a little bureaucracy - BUT still the same access to military hardware. You are kidding arn't you?
Remove the stores and remove the guns! That will save lives whether by the act of a criminal; - or by noncriminals who become criminals by virtue of the crime of shooting people because of the easy access of guns and the weapons mind set of America.

3. Bye for now. Thanks for the discussion.

Lurker wrote:
1. Shallow thinking.
2. God has withdrawn His blessings from this once great nation
3. through all the unbearable grief the loved ones of the 26 teachers and children killed at Sandy Hook are burdened with, one may eventually call upon the name of Jesus

2. So the mass slaughter of those children is a sign of the quote, withdrawl of His blessings? And assault rifles are meant for good?

3. And Sandy Hook was the Lord doing His bit for evangelising the parents? I guess you also teach that God no longer uses the Bible as the sword(assault rifle)??
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Mike wrote:
1. rubbish
2. Pointing to Europe as model
3. preach self-righteous uninformed claptrap

2. "history"??? What are you bringing that up for, whether European or American??? What about American? 18/19th century Cowboys and indians slaughtered many. Early 20th century Gangsters slaughtered many. Now everybody wants an armory of machine guns to "operate" the justice of America??

Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Only the naive, sorry to say, thinks that if guns were outlawed society would be safer. Not only is there NO proof of such a thing, history indicates just the opposite.

Quote;
"19.5/1 = Ratio of people killed by guns in the U.S. compared to other developed countries in the OECD. For 15-to-20-year-olds, firearm homicide rates in the U.S. are 42.7 times higher than in other OECD countries, according to a 2011 UCLA School of Public Health study." [businessinsider.com]

You get the gist UpS??? nearly 20 to 1 ratio with the other developed (mainly European) countries.

America is culpable and badly needs to stop the slaughter of kids and others by mass murder.

Remove the problem is the obvious solution.

That problem is hundreds of thousands of retail outlets full to the brim with military style assault rifles and other hardware.

...law enforcement officer NYC wrote:
Who on this board is replacing justice with a gun? I don't see anyone doing that. What I see on my job Ina regular basis is home invasions where unarmed law abiding citizens are gunned down by a criminal

Obviously your criminal element finds it very easy in America to procure and obtain assault rifles, guns and all kinds of military weapons to make their activities that much more violent and dangerous. Less access - Less gun stores - Less military style violence on your streets.

The obvious easy access to assault weapons and other military hardware in your local shop is indicative of the American mind-set which is - "justice can be obtained/maintained by everybody being armed to the teeth."
Viz: "Justice by guns"

Kyle wrote:
(1) It's bad arguments ...

(2) Crazy cravings, like possessing a gun to protect myself and my loved ones?

P. Resby wrote:
The concept that every millimetre of the flesh must be touched by water in Baptism, (to make it genuine), is contrived and not Scripturally valid.

Perhaps it is taken from the following where the Greek word βαψη, βαψας and βεβαμμενον which is derived from the root word βάπτω are used and translated dip, dipped.

(Luk 16:24) And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

(Joh 13:26) Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.

(Rev 19:13) And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

I wonder if he would associate himself with Peter Ruckman and his heretical teachings. Afterall Ruckman is an independant fundamental Baptist.

If you notice, he will not systematically debate a topic. He will not present scriptural arguments to define his position, he just changes the subject or pulls out the red herring Michael Servetus mantra.

Any time Michael is confronted with biblical truths, he accuses them of wanting to argue.

To the unregenerate sinner, there is nothing desireable in a holy and righteous God because they love the darkness and their sins. Their deeds are evil. By nature they are haters and enemies of God. They want nothing of His laws and righteousness.

Michael Hranek wrote:
No! I have to think that even though sinners love their sin it is quite shameful to make God out to be so undesireable to a sinner under conviction of the Holy Spirit and the Word of God that God has to force Himself upon them against their will.

What you don't realize Michael is that God is completely just in passing over some and withholding His saving grace. You seem to think that God somehow owes you the right to be saved.

Michael Hranek wrote:
DJC49
So as a 'good Calvinist' you really can't be that sure that even yourself are one of Predestinated elect can you.

Are you trying to tell me that in the mind of the "Calvinist" God is so undesirable with nothing to merit Himself to those He wants to save, that He must force Himself upon the Predestinated because "certain Calvinists" cannot imagine wretched lost sinners, knowing they are sinners, knowing they deserve the punishment of hell forever, that they would ever want the Lord Jesus Christ to save them from their sins but find Him utterly repulsive?

That is the problem according to John 3:19-20

v19 "And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and ***men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.***"

v20 "For every one that doeth evil ***hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.***"

lyn wrote:
Angela, God bless you! excellent post!
There is hope- you said, "perhaps God will raise up in this generation another John Knox, Zwingli and Calvin who recovered the old truths and preached the sovereignty of God and repentance of sin in the world"...He has! I encourage all to listen to Paul Washer's 'the ten indictments' found here. Also, he has a study entitled 'the One True God' found at heartcrymissionary.com/resources/online_books
Thus saith the Lord,"Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls" Jer. 6:16

Faithful Remnant wrote:
However, on the other hand, DJC does a good job of explaining how corrupt the Human OS is.

Michael Hranek wrote:
John 11
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
Oops!!! He who believes in Me.
I think I will simply believe Jesus thank you very much.

It is correctly written:

John 11:25 "Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, *** though HE WERE DEAD, yet shall he live:

Resurrection of life comes before believing.