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John UK wrote:
Truth seeker
I hope you're not calling me a Calvinist.
Anyway
Even in those who are subsequently saved, there is an initial resisting of the Holy Ghost, simply because of their spiritual deadness. But you will find that in every instance of every person in heaven, the gracious God eventually broke through with saving grace, granting life through the new birth, and repentance and faith where previously there had been rebellion and unbelief. Sure enough, God can and does do it. To him be praise and glory.

John UK wrote:
Truth seeker
Sure we must give equal weight to every verse of scripture. This has been my own argument. But scripture does not ever contradict itself. It is all the word of God.
If I believe that Jesus is the 'author and finisher' of my faith, then I cannot fail by way of faith, can I? Therefore whatever the verse in Hebrews is saying, it is not saying it to those who have been gifted faith by the Lord Jesus Christ.

The notion that the Holy Spirit works in such a way that he cannot be resisted is palpable nonsense. Or else how can we be said to grieve him, quench him etc.?

John UK wrote:
#1 What is button hole theology?

John UK wrote:
#2 What was the Holy Ghost seeking to accomplish in the hearts of those Stephen was preaching to, and who subsequently killed him?

John UK wrote:
I see your point, though. If the saints cannot fall away, then how do some 'partake of the Holy Ghost' and then go on to fall away.

John UK wrote:
.... No, I cannot see that is right. For then his power is resistable by man.
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Acts 7:51 states that they were uncircumcised in heart and ears - in other words that they did not have the heart or the ears to relish the truth being proclaimed. They personally rejected it because it did not suit them- and that therefore this too constitutes part of the their resisting the Holy Ghost!

The greatest theologians of the Reformation affirmed the doctrine of "federalism" or "representation" based upon the model found in Genesis. In this view, one man stands for the group. Theologically it referred to Adam representing the entire human race (yet unborn) and therefore when he sinned, we all sinned in him. The corollary to this was Jesus being the Second Adam, standing in for His Elect; if we all died in Adam; we are all saved in Christ. Through representation, His death could atone for all His people’s sins (Rms 5:12-19).

The Reformers applied the doctrine of representation to the social and political realm when battling against the "divine right of kings." They saw the biblical office of king as simply one of representation; the king as the supreme executive of a nation has a responsibility to those he represents. Hence, the king was not above the law.

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The ministry of Whiterspoon and many other clergymen was key to the American Revolution. Many excellent links are posted on the site referenced by DLF at 9/7/08 2:10. Thank you Daniel.

A beleiver, you state "Earthly government no matter what there constitution serve Satan and not God."

Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

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