Eternal life and never perish are to the believers, those who hear the voice of Jesus and follow him.

"Eternal life, never perish" is the prize we receive at physical death, if we die a sheep who hears the voice of Jesus and follows Him.

Scripture says not to "shipwreck your faith" "as some have" it says (ie Hymaeneus and Alexander, the foolish widows, Judas, others)and to examine yourself to see if you are in the faith.

Jesus told about the backslidden servant who began to beat his fellow servants while his master was away, thinking he had time to "get right" before the master's return. But the master came home early, and the wicked servant went to Hell.

OT says the good that we do is forgotten if we turn to evil, and the evil that we do is forgotten if we turn to good.

The Bible is a big book. You need to put the pieces of the puzzle together, harmonize scripture. Nobody goes to Heaven with a flash of faith, unless that flash of faith happens just before they die. We must die full of the Spirit, else we will not be raised at the Second Coming (per Romans 8).

No, it says that God's sheep do hear his voice and do follow him. Jesus makes plain who his sheep are. If you fit this definition, then you are one of his sheep and you are safe from anybody or anything snatching you away.

Therefore, those who do not hear his voice and do not follow him are not his sheep. The Bible says to examine yourself to see if you be in the faith. Are you?

Those who hear Jesus' voice and follow him can never be snatched away by any outside force.

This is the exact same thing I said in my last post, and I'm not going to repeat it again, because it's stupid. That's what the people are doing on this forum, going aruond and aruond and aruond and around.

27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

Salvation is conditional on continuous hearing and believing. So who does Jesus give eternal life to? His sheep which hear his voice and follow him. So what if you DON'T hear his voice and don't follow him? What gives you the right, then, to say Jesus gives you eternal life (as in verse 28)?

As to 5:24 this verse promising eternal life is also conditional on "He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me," hearing and believing being present tense and continuous. It's not a one-time deal, if you believe for a brief moment you're saved forever.

Jesus doesn't say, He who listened and heard and believed at one time is now saved forever. Instead, Jesus tells us that the hearing and believing must be ongoing and at the present moment.

We even know further that hearing and believing is directly tied to obeying, to walking in the Spirit, that it's impossible for faith to exist without works, for Jesus to be Lord without doing what he says.

Nothing can snatch us out of God's hand except us. We can snatch our own selves away from God by failing to walk with God, to obey, and we can forget God, fail to crucify our flesh, to become dead to self and alive to God.

When Jesus said, "It is finished," he meant his job of atonement was finished, not that now all a whole lot of preordained "elect" were all set and good-to-go. In other words, the churches you have been in told you a lot of lies. Best you learn that now and seek revival while there is still time. Look what happened to Annanias and Sophira, and we are warned in Scripture that our God is a consuming fire who hates evil.

What you've been learning regarding Once Saved Always Saved and eternal security is nothing but Antinomianism disguised as pious love for Jesus. Read your Bible and you'll see that instead of nothing being required of Christians, everything is required, everything.

I don't take my salvation for granted, examine myself to see if I'm in the faith, and try to work out my salvation with fear and trembling. I don't want to discuss my personal spiritual condition on this public forum. I take enough abuse as it is.

My personal walk with God is incidental to the truth of what the Bible says, and it's crystal clear to me that the Bible teaches a conditional salvation.

Do you ever surf the Net, read books? Have you ever perused Dan Corner's website? He's got the best religions/spiritual website online, bar none. You will want to spend a month on it once you get into it.

Correct according to New Age Reformed Baptist Antinomian theology. Not according to the Bible and the way the church believed until they started hanging around with the Reformed. Baptists were pure until after the Reformation when they let their guard down and started adopting heresies of Augustine and the rest of Plato's minions.

The church's (I'm speaking not of the Catholic, but the pure church that stayed out of the Catholic church) only debate for over 1000 years was whether once someone had lost their salvation if it was even possible to get it back. That's the only debate on salvation until the church started hanging around with the reformed.

Tim LaHaye is NOT an Arminian.

Tim LaHaye is an Antinomian.

Tim LaHaye believes one can never lose their salvation under any circumstance no matter what they do or don't do.

It's not hard. For one thing, your punctuation gives you away. There's many other things you do also that let's me know it's you, no matter what alias you use.

If you made a concerted effort to change all your spelling, aliases and manner of writing, I could still tell, because there's still other ways to know.

Why would SA want to tell me what all your silly aliases are? They probably don't know (or care) what they are themselves.

If he told them that this would mean they were forever saved if they would just do this one little thing (ie raise their hands) then that was a lie, a false promise.

We can only pray that God will send someone else along to witness to these people and fill in the gaps or straighten out the mistakes.

Surely God does want all those people to be saved, and God can certainly use Yamil along the way to get the job done. I think saved people need to be warned and discipled if possible, at least give them your business card and e-mail address, get theirs, follow up.

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Read his latest articles he's put up. Look at the pics of the children who have had their brains shot out, the little children all covered in blood, dead, in a stupid war that we started, and we are keeping it going.

The whole plan was to create civil war there, build a base, and take over the world using Iraq to spread out

It's just wrong. There's nothing Christian about it.

I'm going to be blunt with you because this truly is a matter of life and death, and I'm trying to wake people up to the concentration camps and the horrors awaiting Christians around the bend.

Nobody's white washing Islam to say this Left Behinder game is from the pits of Hell, should be pulled from the shelves, put in a huge pile and burned. Christians should distance themselves as far away from it as possibly can.

We are not the ones being bombed into the Stone Age. The Arabs are. When games like this come out, they are justifiably alarmed. I don't blame them a bit.

You should look at the pictures Texe Marrs has posted on his website of the young mothers and their sweet children in Iraq who are DEAD. Thanks to our "Christian" president and his lies and his warmongering.

Same with Afghanistan. The Bush Crime Syndicate just wanted to kick the Taliban out so they could get the heroin trade going again.

Dessie, I think you have it backwards. We are bombing the Muslims into the Stone Age because we don't agree with their philosophy, WHICH WE'VE BEEN TOLD (by the NeoCONs and their minions) that the Muslims want to take over the world and kill anybody who won't convert to be a Muslim.

So if "Christian" Tim LaHaye is selling a "Christian" game that has Christians killing anybody who won't convert to Christianity (and "Christians" are buying it like hotcakes) --

then just who is the hypocrite with a capital H?

Even if a nice Bible is included with the Left Behinder video game, if you get the $59 super special instead of the plain old game for $39.

After our "Conservative Christian President" Georgie Bush gets through turning the planet into a complete Hell hole, who do you suppose will get blamed for all this? Especially if we have these "nice" Christian games for the Christiain haters to point to?

My alias is about the mislabeling of the designation "antinomian" to the OSAS people.

I'm not a name tagger so I can "out" everybody's aliases. It's just that yours are obvious. I have good discernment. You are always trying to out me on my alias, so why are you going crying to Sermon Audio! I'm sure they have better things to do than reveal what people's monikers to the rest of the posters. I don't even think they know who the posters are themselves most times!

Are you ready to define what you mean by the vague word "applicable?"

Applicable in what way?

Exactly. The devil believes and trembles, but does not submit.

The devil is an Antinomian, one who does whatever he chooses as it suits him.

It's one thing to believe (and not even tremble in the belief). It's another thing to believe and submit.

"Way you go dunderhead from the land of the fanciful arminians!"

Please. Yamil is not an Arminian, and he said as much himself.

The point is, the game is NOT about Jihad for Muslims. It's about Jihad for Christians killing people if they don't convert.

This game is a trap, it was made by Tim LaHaye, also the author in the '70s of the book Act of Marriage on how to sodomize your wife and other sick perversions. Christians will be blamed for GWB and games like this Left Behinder game will be used to justify renewed blood sport games as in Gladiator.

Tim LaHaye is part of the Illuminati, the controlled opposition, a servant of Satan to corrupt and destroy Christians.

So is Pat Robertson.

So is Jerry Falwell.

So is Georgie Bush and his White House full of sweet homosexuals.

The only thing we can trust is our King James Bible.

Please. Yamil is not an Arminian, and he said as much himself.