John for JESUS wrote:
They should remove it. Slavery, splitting families, and rebellion against our country is nothing to be proud about!

http://www.darkpolitricks.com/2015/06/farrakhan-i-dont-get-debate-over-confederate-flag-we-need-to-put-the-american-flag-down/
Dump the Flag for Racial Peace
Farrakhan: I Don’t Get Debate Over Confederate Flag, ‘We Need to Put the American Flag Down’
declared, "I dont know what the h*ll the fight is about over the Confederate flag. We need to put the American flag down. Because weve caught as much h*ll under that as the Confederate flag, comments that were meant with cheers and applause. He added, Who are we fighting today? Its the people that carry the American flag"
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http://www.darkpolitricks.com/2015/06/farrakhan-i-dont-get-debate-over-confederate-flag-we-need-to-put-the-american-flag-down/

[URL=http://www.darkpolitricks.com/2015/06/farrakhan-i-dont-get-debate-over-confederate-flag-we-need-to-put-the-american-flag-down/]]]Dump the Flag for Racial Peace[/URL]

Farrakhan: I Don’t Get Debate Over Confederate Flag, ‘We Need to Put the American Flag Down’
declared, "I dont know what the h*ll the fight is about over the Confederate flag. We need to put the American flag down. Because weve caught as much h*ll under that as the Confederate flag, comments that were meant with cheers and applause. He added, Who are we fighting today? Its the people that carry the American flag"

Yep wrote:
Graham is a puppet.

part of the silliness of Evangelicalism is lack of ability to use the tools that apostates TRIED to use against the Historicity of Jesus to show that Islam is based on a myth.

Far from an anti-Islamic polemic, Did Muhammad Exist? is a sober but unflinching look at the origins of one of the world’s major religions. While Judaism and Christianity have been subjected to searching historical criticism for more than two centuries, Islam has never received the same treatment on any significant scale.

The real story of Muhammad and early Islam has long remained in the shadows. Robert Spencer brings it into the light at long last.

s c wrote:
the lighter side

Did Muhammad Exist? reveals:

-How the earliest biographical material about Muhammad dates from at least 125 years after his reported death

-How six decades passed before the Arabian conquerors—or the people they conquered—even mentioned Muhammad, the Qur’an, or Islam

-The startling evidence that the Qur’an was constructed from existing materials—including pre-Islamic Christian texts

-How even Muslim scholars acknowledge that countless reports of Muhammad’s deeds were fabricated

-Why a famous mosque inscription may refer not to Muhammad but, astonishingly, to Jesus

-How the oldest records referring to a man named Muhammad bear little resemblance to the now-standard Islamic account of the life of the prophet

-The many indications that Arabian leaders fashioned Islam for political reasons

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness,
but rather reprove them.
5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light:
for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

read the book:

Did Muhammad Exist?:

An Inquiry into Islam's Obscure Origins

book:Hardcover – April 23, 2012

by Robert Spencer (Pam Geller's friend and co-worker)

Are jihadists dying for a fiction? Everything you thought you knew about Islam is about to change.

Muhammad DID NOT exist

Wardraw wrote:
This is just mindless hooliganism.

http://www.olivercromwell.org/faqs5.htm

Basic - your God is no god at all, for you claim His Omnipotent will can be resisted and/or frustrated. If you can resist God's will then you are God for you are stronger than God. I know you don't like this conclusion but to hold to your position of man's autonomous freedom that conclusion must hold. When an unstoppable force (The power of God) meets an immovable rock (the heart of man) the one that prevails is the greater. My God always removes whatever obstacle He desires. Your's can be stopped by the heart of man. I submit that my God, the God of the Bible, is greater than your god, whoever he is.

The question is, who determines who gets saved? Does not God have mercy on whom He wills and whom He wills He hardens? Is He not the cause of all things, even of men's decisions? Or is He in this case not the cause but the effect? Are we'preveniently' enabled to choose Christ by the Spirit's drawing (that literally means 'dragging', but doesn't matter)but the final determinent in who is saved is not God but man?
Can't you people see how you have dethroned God and placed yourself in His place? Do you have any idea how heretical and blasphemous your theology really is?

It is the good pleasure of HIS will that determines these things. Who has resisted His will?" NO ONE! Therefore according to your 'God loves everyone and wants them all to be saved' theology, there are those who can and do resist His will. For He wants them to be saved but is not able to do so because they are not willing.

If they can resist the will of Almighty God then He is not almighty and they are god.

A few of the OT texts that show our sinfulness and depravity and inability
Gen 6:5, 8:21, Job 9:2, 14:4, 15:14-16, Ps 51:5, 52:2,3; 58:3; 130:3; 143:2; Pr 20:9; 30:12; Ecc 7:20,29; 9:3; Is 48:8; 53:6; 64:6; Jer 13:23; 17:9

And a handful of NT texts.
Jn 3:5,18; 5:42; 6:44;8:34,43 Acts 26:18, Rom 1:28, 3:9, 19, 23; 5:12; 6:20; 7:18; 8:7 ICor 1:18; IICor 2:14; 4:3; Eph 2:1,5,12; 4:17; Col 2:13, II Tim 2:25; IJn 5:19.

If the condition of man is as described in these texts, then he is not only incapable of choosing salvation, he does not even know he needs it. He will not turn to God because he hates Him with every fibre of his being. He is, as the texts say, dead in sin.

Therefore we maintain that without the regenerating power of the Spirit of God who takes out the stone heart and replaces it with a heart of flesh, there can be no response to the gospel.

This leads logically to the next point. If God wants all men to be saved why does He not regenerate them all and give them all a heart that wants to serve Him?

Roman Catholocism is paganism dressed as Christianity and much of Protestantism still carries vestiges of Rome. It is up to us to show how and why we are different from the world.

Unfortunately it begins with a desperate clinging to man's ability to do something, even as small a thing as making a decision.

We cannot equate God knowing something as being the same as man knowing something. God does not 'discover' or become cognitively aware. He has always known all things to their fullest extent. This is the meaning of Omniscient.

God "knew" Israel, he "knew" Jeremiah. He said Israel was the only nation He had known, just as Jesus said "I never knew you!" Did this mean they were not cognitively aware? No, it means they had not set their love, their special regard on them.

Adam "knew" Eve to the extent that she fell pregnant. When God knows us it implies a deep intimacy.

If He elected on the basis of what he foresaw we would do, we would have something of which to boast. Election that is not unconditional is not election - it is selection. That is what we do when we choose tomatoes. We choose according to what we see is good and bad. God chose according to the good pleasure of His will, and it was all bad.

Likewise our salvation is 100% of God and from God, yet we are 100% responsible. But our responsibility does not denote ability - and here we part ways with Arminianism who claim that God would not command what we cannot perform. This is what set Pelagius off against Augustine.

Michael Hranek wrote:
Rev 22
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely.
I do hope you note that word desires. It is an interesting word as apparently a lost person under the preaching of the Word of Christ and conviction of the Holy Ghost can in my words desire to be forgiven and saved from their sins.

Here we go again - probably with the same result, but what the heck.

Question 1 - what is the condition of natural, unregenerate man before conversion. That is, how has sin affected him? Is he dead in sin, unable to discern spiritual things, hates God by nature? Or is he close to spiritual death but still able to function, can be drawn to see his need of Christ without actually being converted and can be convinced he should love God?

Dead or not dead? Well my Bible says dead. It also says there is none that seeks after God, not even one. That every imagination of man's natural inclination is only evil continually etc etc.

The Arminian, and those who don't like to be called that but still believe everything Arminius taught, thinks that man in his natural state is still able to choose good, to choose God, to choose salvation when it is offered to him. Then, after he makes this choice, God raises him from spiritual near-death.

Mike wrote:
Nah. Look, this is not difficult. One cannot, even for a microsecond, be a born-again unbeliever.

And the Corinthians text mentioned below about not being tempted beyond what we can bear has no reference at all to unbelievers believing, but to Spirit-filled Christians being able to endure temptation through the power of God.

God's Word ALWAYS accomplishes His purposes. If, according to you, that purpose is only repentance and conversion then it is not always accomplished. But God has decreed (Is 6) that there will be those whom the Spirit renders dull, blind and deaf so that they will not hear, will not turn and will not be converted. That Isaiah passage is quoted 6 times in the NT.

Back 2 Basics wrote:
That is a laugh. Sorry, but you don't define who I am. You are not calling it as it is but as you see it. And you remind for of some hometown referees I've seen who need new glasses!
Again, you do not understand biblical fundamentalism. You throw out false accusations and misrepresent what we believe. Eph 2:8-9 - Of course man is unable to chose on his own. Faith is a gift of God. That is easy to defend and not the point upon which we disagree.
Your tatics are typical but cheap. Or maybe you are sincere just misguided. Only you and God know.
Where you are wrong is assuming, contrary to Scripture, that God only selects some. You deny J3:16 and a multitude of other 'whosoever' Scriptures. I've read Rom 9. Unfortunately, you don't read it in context of all other Scripture. Read Gen 1 - Rev 22.
Nice try but no cookie.

Again, don't watch Fox News, read Romans 9, where Paul carefully and clearly answers all your objections.

By the way, you are an Arminian, whether you like it or not. Anyone who tries to prove that God wants all men to be saved but that this is dependent on man's choice is a rank Arminian.

Sorry, just calling it as it is.