Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Thanks for the correction brother Lurker, hope all is well. My apologies James, thought you were saying abomination of desolations had already occurred before our Lord’s first advent.

Rnel wrote:
Please read Daniel 8 and see what happened with the temple in 171BC with Antiochus Ephiphnees( sorry for spelling)

In reading up on your suggestion on Daniel 8, I cam across something that may interest you.

Dan 8:8-12  Therefore the he goat waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn was broken...

I'm presuming that your referring to the interpretation which identifies this great horn of the he-goat as Alexander the great of the Persian empire. Furthermore, the 4 horns which came up after Alexander's death were the leaders of the Persian empire. The empire then was divided into 4 parts. Antiochus IV Epiphanes arose from the part of the divided Persian empire that ruled over Israel and it is widely believed that he set up the abomination of desolation by sacrificing swine on the temple altar.

However, there is a problem with this interpretation: 

Dan 8:20-21  The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.

Rnel wrote:
No problem James
Thanks for the reply but I don’t agree with you.
Please read Daniel 8 and see what happened with the temple in 171BC with Antiochus Ephiphnees( sorry for spelling)
We read Paul says before Christ comes the son of perdition will sit in the temple claiming to be God.
This is the abomination of desolation. This is what Jesus was referring to in Matt 24:15 Jesus himself read Daniel and said we must go there.
Read Daniel 12 you will see it fits with the end times. There must be a temple again.

What were the fathers steps which God hated? See Jer. 2:13 and also the first chapter of Isaiah.

My apologies. Forget my earlier comment.I got a chance to reread the post and see what your talking about regarding Matt 24:15 and yes, that temple was the temple in Judea(Judah).

Here is what Zephaniah spoke of regarding that temple.

Zep 3:1-4  Woe to her that is filthy and polluted, to the oppressing city!
She obeyed not the voice; she received not correction; she trusted not in the LORD; she drew not near to her God.
Her princes within her are roaring lions{see 1 Peter 5:8}; her judges are evening wolves; they gnaw not the bones till the morrow.
Her prophets are light and treacherous persons: **her priests have polluted the sanctuary**, they have done violence to the law.

We can see pollution of the sanctuary occurs when the daily sacrifice(Heb 13:15) is taken away which her priests did and replaced it with the abomination that maketh desolate as found here in Daniel. 

Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate. 

Rnel wrote:
James Thomas from Fla wrote;
1 Cor 3:16
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
Please tell me you know of another temple also? Jesus also knew another one according to Matt 24:15 and wasn’t referring to the body but in Judea.
Ps: He also did not refer to 70AD There was no abomination of desolation yet.

Sure do. 

Mark 14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

That temple Jesus said he would destroy and build a new one three days after without hands in my opinion was NOT the one destroyed in 70.

"There was no abomination of desolation yet."

The Quiet Christian wrote:
If He knows what we have need for, why does He tell us to ask?
What think thee on said topic?

I know you asked John the question but I went looking after I read it as it caught my interest and thought I'd share what I found.

The short answer is (From one perspective) When we go searching the Scriptures for the answer, we are asking Him for the answer.

There was a time when that was not so by His people as described here.

Hosea 4:12 My people ask counsel at their stocks, and their staff declareth unto them: for the spirit of whoredoms hath caused them to err, and they have gone a whoring from under their God.

Jer 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

I guess from another point of view but the same premise, if we are party to the bride of Christ we would do well to ask for counsel from our Husband than anyone or anything else.

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Dr. Tim wrote:
Yes, Brother James, Christ is the image of God. He is also the glory of God (Revelation 21:23). When the Bible says “All have sinned and come short of the glory of God,” it indicates that we have not lived up to the standard of perfection found in God’s Son Jesus Christ. I know I haven’t even come close. I praise God that my salvation and security are in HIM, and not in me.

Interesting text you chose Bro:

Rev 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Which sounds quite similar to this one...

Isaiah 60:19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

and continuing on with the same topic it says...

Isa. 60:21 Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.

The work of my hands...

2 Corinthians 4:4 (KJV)
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, *who is the image of God*, should shine unto them.

Unprofitable Servant wrote:
I choose not to focus on the negative that some pray for wrong motives or are not on praying ground due to their spiritual condition. That’s for God to judge. I just have to look to my own heart and motives and try by His help to pray according to and in His will. Necessitating the need for forgiveness when I ask amiss or regard iniquity in my heart.

I wanted do say your postings have been filled with kindness and gave me a well needed healthy reminder of Phil 4:6-8. Thank you!

John UK wrote:
Ah, you want to know if I am a conscientious objector?

My questions were provided to give you an example of another perspective than your own on this issue of Christians defending oneself or protecting others when attacked, that's all.

I'll provide another interesting example and exit the conversation.

In 1782, Robert Aitken’s little Bible was small enough to fit into the coat pocket of the Revolutionary War soldiers of those defending themselves from their aggressors. It measured only 6 inches tall by almost 4 inches wide. It is The only Bible printing ever called for by an act of the United States Congress;

This King James Version Bible helped meet the need for scriptures for the soldiers while England refused to allow their Bibles to be imported by the "rebellious colonists", during the embargo of the Revolutionary War.

The colonists never won one single battle statistically.

But they did win the war.

John UK wrote:
James,
I hope you are not suggesting that I should break the law in order to satisfy that which has been bred into you from birth and that you cannot shake off no matter how many times you read the teaching of Jesus Christ.

So in your estimation, Do you think those countryman of yours who risked their lives defending England against Germany were breaking the law?

Your logic on how a Christian should behave when they or others are attacked physically by an aggressor who's only intention is to kill as many people as possible is simply wrong.

Jim Lincoln wrote:
Yes, Obama did get a good deal when he sent that money back which was Iran's❗

Wow!