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Choice News THURSDAY, NOV 8, 2018  |  16 comments
12 dead in shooting at Thousand Oaks bar
The gunman was dressed in black when he burst into the Borderline Bar & Grill, a country-music-themed venue that is popular with college students, around 11:20 p.m., according to Sheriff Geoff Dean.

Eleven victims and the shooter were found dead inside the bar by responding emergency personnel. It was not immediately clear if the shooter took his own life.

“It’s a horrific scene in there,” Dean said. “There’s blood everywhere.”

Witnesses reported a horrifying scene as gunfire echoed through the club and those inside ran for cover, in some cases using chairs to break windows to escape the building. Others hid in bathrooms and an attic as they frantically called loved ones who were hearing reports of the shooting. ...


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News Item11/9/18 11:28 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
Thanks Foster.
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News Item11/9/18 10:42 AM
Plain Old Tim | Possum Hollow, USA  Find all comments by Plain Old Tim
Once we tighten up our gun control laws, every criminal will report to the nearest police station and turn in all of his firearms and ammunition—just as abortions will cease the moment we enact universal healthcare.
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News Item11/9/18 10:38 AM
Foster Walking | Emerald Coast, FL  Find all comments by Foster Walking
Christopher000 from Rhode Island
Excellent observation
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News Item11/9/18 7:31 AM
Christopher000 | Rhode Island  Find all comments by Christopher000
An ex-marine, who served 5yrs, I believe, as a machine gunnery Sargeant, I believe, and was highly decorated, serving in Afganistan. The talk immediately went to PTSD. Ok...maybe, and probably, but not as a way out for this crime. I dont know how those with PTSD suffer internally, especially those who return after the ravages of war, and having to deal with things seen, done, and trying to figure out how to become a normal citizen again with a normal job, etc.
The thing I can't accept or process is that PTSD will cause an otherwise mentally healthy human being to commit mass murder for some sort of satisfaction and relief. No, seems to me that PTSD is often used to let a hate-filled, angry, and wicked person off the hook for their crime. Untold numbers of our soldiers return with PTSD, and they are not running around commiting senseless mass murder. Killing theirself is one thing, but taking as many innocents with them as they can...that's just someone who was deeply troubled to begin with.
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News Item11/9/18 4:18 AM
Carl haydock | England  Contact via emailFind all comments by Carl haydock
On the radio,a mother of a victim kept repeating "I don't want your prayers,I want gun control". Seems strange that she's making political statements so soon.
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News Item11/9/18 12:02 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Loner Male wrote:
The whole paradigm is flipped on its head. Men are now lovely, feminine and wispy, whilst the women of today are aggressive, loud and butchy. Soon men will be wearing lace and leotards.
One day, the strong, alpha type male will be someone that will stand out and look odd to the masses. Dads will comment, "That's what they used to look like. Poor fella, all caught up in his chauvinism and male pride."
Yep...it's a sad state of affairs for sure.
Very good comment, thanks! Yes, men are and will be trying to be relevant in ways not designed by God.
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News Item11/8/18 11:25 PM
Plain Old Tim | Possum Hollow, USA  Find all comments by Plain Old Tim
The mob attack, masquerading as a “protest,” on Tucker Carlson’s home should also be treated as terrorism.
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News Item11/8/18 10:54 PM
Wayfarer Pilgrim | Lubbock,tx  Find all comments by Wayfarer Pilgrim
There were off duty police officers at that bar. But, I’m afraid that the gun laws in California will not allow an off duty officer to enter s bar after shift , and law abiders , abide by the law. But, the criminal element, who used an illegal extension clip on his Glock , are there to kill people. If you want to make a difference, treat mass shootings as terrorism. And then, suspecting people might not walk to kill another day.
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News Item11/8/18 9:05 PM
Loner Male  Find all comments by Loner Male
Frank wrote:
Thanks for your comment and I agree. If we compare men or anything else for that matter with its counterpart in the 1800s, nothing is the same.
I always say that we have allowed culture to define scripture instead of scripture defining culture.
The whole paradigm is flipped on its head. Men are now lovely, feminine and wispy, whilst the women of today are aggressive, loud and butchy. Soon men will be wearing lace and leotards.

One day, the strong, alpha type male will be someone that will stand out and look odd to the masses. Dads will comment, "That's what they used to look like. Poor fella, all caught up in his chauvinism and male pride."

Yep...it's a sad state of affairs for sure.

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News Item11/8/18 8:27 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Just a Guy wrote:
Frank wrote:
Easy for me to say for sure. But, the article notes the gunman stopped to reload and several people escaped when he did that.
Now if just 2 or 3 men would have rushed him when he stopped to do this; then in all probability the killing would have stopped.
What a sick world we live in!
Right on!
The days of bravery, and "laying down your life" is over. People only care about their own little selves and could give a bowl o oppossum for any one else.
And I'm not just talking about Christians...
Put this guy in the 1830s , and no women would have been hit, and he wouldn't have got nearly as far as he did. MEN we're willing to lay down their lives for strangers simply because they had honor and respect for other people.
But those days are gone. Its a "every man for himself" age. One where you are the only one who matters in life.
Thanks for your comment and I agree. If we compare men or anything else for that matter with its counterpart in the 1800s, nothing is the same.

I always say that we have allowed culture to define scripture instead of scripture defining culture.

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News Item11/8/18 4:37 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Alex Dobuzinskis wrote:
A gunman opened fire in a crowded Southern California bar popular with college students, killing 12 people including a sheriff’s deputy, police said on Thursday, in the latest U.S. mass shooting that stunned a community with a reputation for safety....

...A procession for the body of Sergeant Ron Helus, who died in a shooting incident at a Thousand Oaks bar, drives down Ventura HIghway 101 in Thousand Oaks, California, U.S. November 8, 2018. REUTERS/Mike Blake...

excerpt from, "Ex-Marine identified as suspect in mass shooting in California bar"

[ https://tinyurl.com/y9owmlpm ]

The sheriff's was just a year away from retirement.

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News Item11/8/18 3:52 PM
Just a Guy | Mississippi  Find all comments by Just a Guy
Frank wrote:
Easy for me to say for sure. But, the article notes the gunman stopped to reload and several people escaped when he did that.
Now if just 2 or 3 men would have rushed him when he stopped to do this; then in all probability the killing would have stopped.
What a sick world we live in!

Right on!

The days of bravery, and "laying down your life" is over. People only care about their own little selves and could give a bowl o oppossum for any one else.

And I'm not just talking about Christians...

Put this guy in the 1830s , and no women would have been hit, and he wouldn't have got nearly as far as he did. MEN we're willing to lay down their lives for strangers simply because they had honor and respect for other people.

But those days are gone. Its a "every man for himself" age. One where you are the only one who matters in life.

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News Item11/8/18 2:07 PM
Loner Male  Find all comments by Loner Male
Frank wrote:
Easy for me to say for sure. But, the article notes the gunman stopped to reload and several people escaped when he did that.
Now if just 2 or 3 men would have rushed him when he stopped to do this; then in all probability the killing would have stopped.
What a sick world we live in!
Men? What are those these days?
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News Item11/8/18 12:42 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
My Own 2 cents wrote:
Where exactly did this happen?
About 40 mi. northwest of Los Angeles in Ventura County, CA. It was a popular location for Hollywood films, back when it was more rural..
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News Item11/8/18 12:31 PM
My Own 2 cents  Find all comments by My Own 2 cents
Where exactly did this happen?
In the U.S.?
If it did, which state?
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News Item11/8/18 11:05 AM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Easy for me to say for sure. But, the article notes the gunman stopped to reload and several people escaped when he did that.

Now if just 2 or 3 men would have rushed him when he stopped to do this; then in all probability the killing would have stopped.

What a sick world we live in!

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