Described in a press release as ‚Äúthe most modern translation produced in the King James tradition in thirty years,‚ÄĚ the Modern English Version (MEV) promises to offer up ‚Äúfresh clarity‚ÄĚ for today‚Äôs generation of Bible readers.
‚ÄúTo Bible readers who value biblical truth, the MEV literally translates God‚Äôs Word in a way that preserves the message but remains readable for today‚Äôs world,‚ÄĚ said Tessie DeVore, executive vice president of Charisma House. ‚ÄúBecause of this, we anticipate that the MEV will have broad ecumenical and consumer acceptance.‚ÄĚ
A website setup to advertise the Bible version uses the following words to describe it: ‚Äúclear, reverent, accurate.‚ÄĚ...
This wasn't done in the KJV tradition It received some high praise‚ĚóÔłŹ
David A.M. Wilensky, JTA wrote: When God began to create heaven and earth, and the earth then was welter and waste and darkness over the deep and God‚Äôs breath hovering over the waters, God said, ‚ÄėLet there be light.‚Äô And there was light.‚ÄĚ
Alter‚Äôs versions are not destined to replace the King James Version; they are meant to strip away its familiarity, to help us see the Biblical text more closely and accurately,‚ÄĚ wrote the poetry and literary critic Adam Kirsch.
https://tinyurl.com/y8xysmqc (Robert Alter completes his monumental translation of the Hebrew Bible)
Thanks John. Like I said, I understand the concept but at the same time, I think it borders on irreverant in the process of trying to be street smart. Sound like the way a stoner might relate a story to his buddys.
I would suggest you read the article,[URL=http://web.archive.org/web/20071021065646/http://faith.propadeutic.com/questions.html]]]Comparing Bible Translations[/URL] or even just the conclusion of it, since it is a long article, then you won't make a mistake in picking old or new versions of the Bible
MS wrote: Reads like that perversion "the message".
When the Message first came out, I found myself browsing through it in disbelief. The owner of that 'Christian' book store approached me & asked if I needed assistance. I asked if it was responsible Christian practice to sell this version, he replied 'People are moved by the SPIRIT when reading it.' I answered, 'What spirit are you talking about?' He then walked away in a huff
Needless to say, Im not welcome in that bookstore any longer
Hi Christopher, I think it is now called the "Word on the Street", but here is another example from Matthew.
This is how Jesus Christ was born: Mary, his mom, was just about to tie the knot with Joe, but before they could get hitched, she found out that she was pregnant through the Holy Spirit. Now being found pregnant when you aren‚Äôt married was bad news. If the locals found out, they would treat her like dirt. Joe was a really cool guy and didn‚Äôt want Mary to be treated like a tramp, so he decided to sneak off and break the engagement with her on the sly. An angel came by and said, "Yo Joe, Big Dave‚Äôs boy! Don‚Äôt feel like you‚Äôre getting damaged goods by hooking up with Mary. She didn‚Äôt go sleep around. The kid in her belly is from the Holy Spirit. When the papoose is loose, call him Jesus, because this guy is going to rescue everybody from all the bad habits, crummy ideas and stupid mistakes that eventually do them in."
Interesting, John. I've never heard of the street bible and I do understand the concept, along with the type of crowd it's intended to reach, but what do you think about the style and lingo? I guess I would have to read much more to see if it stays on perfect point or veers way off for the sake of "reaching out".
True, Shane, you might listen or just read the summary for, [URL=http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=10231312024]]] The New Covenant and The Church[/URL], and---
Romans 11 28 From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; 29 for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For just as you once were disobedient to God, but now have been shown mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so these also now have been disobedient, in order that because of the mercy shown to you they also may now be shown mercy. 32 For God has shut up all in disobedience that He might show mercy to all. 33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways! 34 For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO BECAME HIS COUNSELOR? 35 Or WHO HAS FIRST GIVEN TO HIM THAT IT MIGHT BE PAID BACK TO HIM AGAIN? 36 For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]
Hebrews 8:10(esv) For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, Declares the Lord: I will put my laws in their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 11: And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, "know the Lord", for they shall all know me, from the least to the greatest. 12: For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.
Carl in Greensboro wrote: Ezekiel 39:2 "...leave but the sixth part" KJV; what's that all about? Gog and Magog will be drawn to their doom and completely annihilated according to Rev 20:8-9 with no part left! And the pagan word "Easter" in Acts 12:4 where all they had to do was transliterate the Greek; makes me think that was done on purpose. "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of ANY private interpretation." No translation is a 100% accurate; none. If you think that then you have left yourselves wide open to deception. I'm starting to think that a lot of nationalism and maybe a little racism is starting to creep in. That is one of the reasons why Jesus the Jew is almost always depicted as an Anglo-Saxon. Many of you will be disappointed (and maybe even a little suspicious) not to hear the Lord sounding like Shakespeare upon His return. Yes, Shane, there is absolutely no substitute for a true relationship with Jesus the Word of God which needs no translation.
Scripture says if any man lacks wisdom, to ask, and it will be given liberally. Also, the Lord tends to sever the gifts among us, that we are to some degree depending on the rest of the body, even as we know and prophesy in part until the fulness of the blessing.
Stevenr wrote: Hey John UK, what perversion was that, that you quoted earlier? ("When it all cracked off..." gen 1:1)
I can't remember where I saw that, Steven. But I reckon it must have been the Street Bible, like this quote from Matthew 11:
"You know that in the Old Testament it says, ‚ÄôDon‚Äôt whack anybody or you‚Äôre going to get busted‚Äô. You thought that was strict, well check this out: If you get so ticked off at someone that you can‚Äôt stand the sight of them, you‚Äôll even get busted for that. You know that if you cuss somebody out you might get your hand slapped by the local authorities. That‚Äôs nothing. If you call somebody a jerk you could be booking a permanent vacation on the Fire Island."
Unprofitable Servant wrote: You talked about the pattern shown to Moses in the mount which in the passage which is clearly a reference to the Old Covenant, yet you use in relation to being conformed to the image of Christ and being perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect which is part of the New covenant. (see Hebrews 8). We show the Lord's death until He come according to the passage in Corinthians by partaking in what has been termed Communion or the Lord's Supper. It is an inward look (so as not to eat and drink unworthily), a backward look (at the great sacrifice our Lord made at Calvary) and a future look (we do it until He comes). To answer you commune with the Father it is done through the Word of God (in our various interactions with it) and prayer (I Timothy 4:5) As to the "brethren in chief", being used in writing the New Testament, that did not make one any higher than the chief of sinners.
That's good, I allow that, nay, do it all the time, because the word says to meditate in Scripture day and night for good success, and that we shall bind his words on our fingers and make them the frontlets of our eyes. A good minister puts them in mind, as dependent upon the wages: the Apostles provide the same bread and pillar all to live by.
Thank you Carl for introducing this, it is really interesting. I discovered this snippet just now. God bless.
____________ The Septuagint is the ancient Greek version of the Hebrew Scriptures which pre-dates the Incarnation and the New Testament Bible by several centuries. The translation of Sacred Scripture from the Hebrew language to Greek became necessary following the conquests of Alexander the Great and the spread of Greek culture into Asia Minor, the Near East, and North Africa. As time past and Hellenistic culture became the dominant culture, more and more Jews adopted Greek as the international language and Jews, especially those living in the Diaspora, the land outside the Holy Land, became less fluent in Hebrew. By the third century BC so few Jews living outside the Holy Land spoke or read Hebrew that it became necessary to translate the Hebrew texts into Greek to allow Jews of the Diaspora living in the Gentile world to read and study Sacred Scripture. The decision was made by the Old Covenant hierarchy in Jerusalem that a Greek translation of the sacred texts was going to be necessary. It was the first time the inspired words of Yahweh would be translated into a foreign tongue. _____________
The Septuagint was first produced around 300bc. Don't quote me on this but it seems like a big piece of God's divine plan to prepare the world for the first coming of His Son; it began with Him using Alexander Great to give koine Greek to the people as a common language. It culminated with the Septuagint being the primary means of the apostles (primarily Paul) to use as a translation for all the people (Jew, Greek, Roman, possibly as far as India) to hear, read, and study the OT Scriptures that was introduced to them by the first missionaries. You might even say that the Septuagint was the "KJV" for the early church. I'm out. be blessed.
Carl in Greensboro wrote: John I am sure that with all the posts we can obviously see how much we agree. There is a mystery that I want you and others to ponder with me. It is clear that the most quoted version of the then Scriptures in the New Testament was not the Hebrew but the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Old Testament).
When was the Septuagint written?
The Septuagint, from the Latin word septuaginta (meaning seventy), is a translation of the Hebrew Bible and some related texts into Koine Greek. The title and its Roman numeral acronym LXX refer to the legendary seventy Jewish scholars who completed the translation as early as the late 2nd century BCE. wiki again
Bottle Rocket My sort of church for sound teaching and doctrine is the Metropolitan Tabernacle in London pastored by Dr Peter Masters. You can look up their website or find plenty of his sermons here on Sermon Audio. Indeed, I advise you to do so, it will help you greatly.
John UK wrote: That is not a tradition, it is scripture. Now what tradition are you of? Or what church do you adhere to?
Not one: though I have considered whether Christ is in them of a truth. Which one or more do you adhere? I believe as Apostle Paul indicated in Acts 20, that the flock has been scattered (by wolves) from Early Church and Scripture form (former rain), and has been in wrestlings with Nicolaitan/Babylon and the Beast, since his departing: we are to this day awaiting the latter rain of the Holy Ghost.
All that is required by me is baptism of water and Spirit, which agree with the Scriptures. When Jesus said as often that we eat and drink of his cup, it's not to be all the time go eating and drinking dedicated bread and wine in places called by his name. But he did say (book of John):
6:51 "I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
If the Bible had not given a sturdy place for it, then I wouldn't know what tradition I keep: but since his name is the Word of God, what else may we eat of and live, but the Scriptures? It's as John ate the roll, if you ask me.