I am saved,"doc" but if I wasn't and you and some others here were the only models of Christianity, I surely wouldn't be drawn. L b- you and Doc need to repent of judging my heart and if my list coincides with Scripture in that people who profess to be Christian have double standards in that they choose to serve fornicators but not lgbts then you and Doc need to examine the Scriptures for yourselves.
My neighbor's daughter isn't news headlines. Lady- if you aren't concerned about that which is morally upright then you wouldn't care one way or the other as to whom the b&b owner served.
Unprofitable, you are even remotely suggesting that parents should allow their children to dress immodestly? If I were you, I would retract my comment. How can one not try to protect their children? Are some Christians so desensitized by the things which they have chosen to embrace in this world that they are that blind as to the danger?
Those who profess to have the mind of Christ in these things, Unprofitable, often look like the world. How a parent dresses or allows their children to dress is not unimportant at all. Doesn't it creep you out that some pervert could easily be looking at your children at the swimming pool or beach? Your children aren't trying to provoke that but you, as a parent, are absolutely and should be accountable for putting them in a position in which someone can look at them in "glorified underwear". While someone can be perverted without provocation, we ought not to cater to that. It is not insignificant that the Lord told us to dress modestly and gave us principles which we could follow to that end. ..and "naked" and immodest is still "naked" and immodest whether it suits the public occasion or not. A swimming suit is inappropriate in a store. A swimming suit is inappropriate in a public pool...as an example.
It's time for parents to quit putting their children dressed in immodest attire out in public and to quit subjecting them to sexualized programming that has become so widely accepted. Children will emulate what they see. Dads-if you don't want your girls to dress like whores, don't watch women dressed like whores on television.
Thank you, June, for your zeal, steadfastness and links. Sadly, the Grahams are still carrying much negative influence. I have heard Billy being quoted twice now within a month's period of time at a local baptist church. Ladybug, there is often a carry over between the threads. June did make mention of CCM at Franklin Graham's shows. Since there is a link between CCM and that which is "hip" within the church, mention of Frankie's crusades are fair game.
Jesus is the focal point of ministry. Performers are the focal point of CCM. There is a vast difference between the hymns and today's "Christian" music. I would venture to say that most CCM "artists" wouldn't do what they do if not for the accolades which they receive. I cringe every time I tune into a Christian radio station only to hear a whiny man singing like a woman or a woman cooing out a song as she was singing to her latest flame. I doubt if Fanny Crosby or the other hymn writers would have taken center stage, dressed in hip apparel and skinny jeans to sing.
I would take greater issue with Christians who reduce themselves to calling lost people names based on their poor speech. Considering how this country has killed the English language, it is only appropriate. Maybe if she was a weather girl or football player, she could be elevated to a more favorable view in many Christians' eyes.
Unprofitable...you often err in adding to what I have written. I didn't say that one could not have fun. I said that wrestling, in Scripture, is not for that purpose. The onus is on you all, not me. It must not have been too much fun for Jacob when he walked away with a limp and your view of God is warped if you think that He delighted in causing Jacob physical pain. Being the monster tickling your grandson is hardly analogous to wrestling as a sport in this country. You both are off the deep end.
You need to reread what I wrote. I was very emphatic about how we wrestle not against flesh and blood. We do not and Jacob did not. God is not flesh and blood. Jacob wrestled God. The form which God took (man) didn't diminish the fact that He was God. Further, it definitely was not for the fun or sport of it.
I didn't say that Jacob didn't wrestle God...surely you understand the difference between wrestling mere man (flesh and blood) vs. wrestling God...powers,principalities,etc.?
Jacob was first a deceiver. We're all brats until we have the fear of the Lord. Spiritual pride is not taking a stand for that which is true. People with big toes always accuse those who are in disagreement with them as being self-righteous.
Well, you could almost have a point if we wrestled against God in the flesh but then God did say that we wrestle NOT against FLESH and BLOOD. I don't know of any Christians who have had this experience as Jacob did. It was God with whom he was physically wrestling. Sadly, this is all that you have to support wrestling, as a sport, no less. ...you appear to have lost the bout. I think God in His wisdom just laid out enough principles in the Bible so that hardened hearts or those who love the world would stay confused. He wants us to obey Him but also knows when we love the world ,... if one cannot understand spiritual things, they are of the natural and so prefer it. It's almost beyond comprehension how one who says that they are a Christian could condone wrestling...attacking other people...certainly not an example of esteeming others before ones self...probably a little pride of life there too. As far as nakedness...God laid out for us what constitutes nakedness. Much to the chagrin of many, his standards are actually stricter than most of whom you would call "legalists". He would not tell us on many occasions to not be naked if He did not make clear what "naked" is. All of his words are true.
Jacob wrestled with the Lord. What's your point? ...we wrestle not against flesh and blood as previously stated. Apparently,Unprofitable doesn't approve of God's definition of nakedness. I hate to lay this on you but women shouldn't expose their legs either..it's in there. "Doc", if you cannot or refuse to grasp that we ought not to beat on one another for fun or sport....can't help you. Yes, Canuck, it is sad. people so bent on defending that which is immodest and violent for their own convenience. One wonders why they pray for the world when they so love it in so many ways as it is. They should be so zealous to defend Scripture as they are to slam those who do.
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