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7/10/09 4:56 PM |
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Dinger wrote: Baptist perception can see beyond Scripture to such mundane matters like water depth. So could you tell me just how deep this pool was 2000 years ago? Presumably in your books the features of the land did not change even over thousands of years? So the land of milk and honey remained the same throughout Israel's occupation etc River and pools do not dry up and vanish do they? Its unheard of, eh?Its the Presbys who read in what they cannot find in the NT. Show me just one clear case of infant baptism in the NT. And if sprinkling is the right mode, why use the word Baptizo? For that matter why make constant mention of the amount of water, if all that was required is a bit of spit?! Why do we not read that the Apostles took a bit of water in a basin to the candidates? Why did the candidate have to come to the water? Why mention rivers and not basins? Why for that matter insist that the imagery refers to death and resurrection? Read Calvin on this place. On verse 38 "They went down into the water" he writes: "Here we see the rite used among the men of old time in baptism; for they put all the body into the water."!! Whatever may be said against the man, on this issue at least he spoke the truth. |
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7/10/09 5:04 AM |
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Guinness wrote: Sadly this is not just the hallmark of fundamentalist churches. You need to be most beware of dictatorialism when there is a subtle facade of biblical order and due process. Expect biblical due process to cease the moment someone speaks an awkward truth. This is a cheap shot and frankly nasty. Typical Presby. mud slinging. So Guiness the Presby corner smells of roses, eh?In reality the Presby courts are even more dictatorial than any Baptist pastor. At least in Independent churches the pastor can be removed by the people. Try doing that in a Presby church and you'll soon feel the weight of the entire court system descend on you. If you want an insight into dictatorialness in Presby. circles from a couple of Presbys. then read: [URL=http://www.trinityfoundation.org/PDF/255_Inquisitions_Confessionals_Courts.pdf]]] Inquisitions, confessions or courts [/URL] [URL=http://www.trinityfoundation.org/PDF/277-Imperious_Presbyterianism_Reed.pdf]]] Imperious Presbyterianism [/URL] Do also remember the failure of the court system in the now infamous case of Professor McCleod and the Free Church of Scotland. The Presbys. are not exempt from sin just because they think they are more scriptural!! |
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7/9/09 8:10 PM |
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down and up wrote: Acts 8: 38, 39 note 'they went down both into the water' and 'they were (both) come up out of the water' No proof of immersion... "Mar 7:4 And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brasen vessels, and of tables." Some sugest that 'pouring and sprinklng' is the primary meaning of the word here. If true, the fallacy of this comes to light when we ask the same question, except this time we replace the word 'immerse' with 'pour'. Notice: Are the Pharisees pouring themselves every time before they eat? Do they pour the cups and pots, brasen vessels as well? Notice that the verse applies baptism to the objects (cups, etc) and not the water. In other words the objecst are baptized and not the water as would be neccesary for this argument to work. Notice, if baptizo means to pour, this verse would teach that they poured (baptized) cups. Are cups poured? Doesn't this particular argument depend upon the assumption that the water rather than the cups is the understood subject or direct object of the verb (washing) in this passage? |
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7/9/09 6:58 PM |
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down and up wrote: Scriptural proof please and BTW what about the elderly frail sick convert-does he get Baptised even on a death bed or not? How young are you?John UK If you have the time to read, then also have a go at: [URL=http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=7Riz_ljVQMQC&pg=PA136&lpg=PA136&dq=John+Gill,+Jewish+Proselyte+baptism&source=bl&ots=4bUI-xz1dS&sig=fnJTy7Luoh9dMdCSC-xAKxlc-rE&hl=en&ei=bHRWSr7wE96OjAekwpzWAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6]]] Infant Baptism and the Covenant of Grace by Paul K Jewett[/URL] Great read! |
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