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7/29/09 7:29 PM |
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John UK wrote: You got some Ryle? Where to, my good friend? On a website someplace? Oh he's a dear friend to me. Oh a friend pointed me to him! I shall be reading more of Ryle, if his comments on other portions of God's word are equally good. John UK wrote: Well anyway, this fits with text perfectly, as the day that Adam sinned, he became 1. immediately estranged from God, 2. commenced dying and 3. eventually died. But I sure believe he reached heaven, despite all that, and Eve too, for God lovingly made provision for them both, and surely redeemed them. Amen! |
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7/29/09 6:38 PM |
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John UK wrote: Correct! So if I get the drift, you are saying that Adam became 'dead' to Father God, namely 'estranged from him' and that this is 'spiritual death' which is the result of sin. Yea or nay? YEA, and Ryle seems to agree also |
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7/29/09 6:31 PM |
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John UK wrote: No I've not ever thought very deeply on these words 'was dead, and is alive again', so maybe, just maybe, you'd care to explain them to me, please, and then I can tell you if you're right or not? Irony!My suggestion is that the second part of the sentence explains the first viz. he was lost, and is found. He was estranged but is now at home etc. What do you think? J C Ryle says, "Let this expression be carefully noted. Though part of a parable, it is worthy of remark as our Lord's language in describing the life of the prodigal son before his repentance, and the change when he repented. The one state was death. The other was life." |
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7/29/09 7:47 AM |
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John UK wrote: How about: #1 ..And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. Genesis 3:8-10 KJV The answer is in the text John: He was afraid!! It does not say anything about his desire to be separate!John UK wrote: #2 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. Genesis 6:5-7 KJV This is not said of Adam but the generation just before the flood! Even from the text one gets the impression that things went from bad to worse! Your quotation from Ps. 14 is interesting because this is a typical calvinistic approach. BUT would you not say that that should have applied to everyone? And yet we read in v8 "But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD"!! |
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7/28/09 7:48 PM |
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John UK wrote: I will need to pray more about this, my friend, as my head's in a spin. If spiritual 'death' is separation of the soul from God, then how is man to be reconciled to God, for he cannot do this himself, can he? When God communicated with Adam after his fall, he was not then reconciled, rather he was obviously estranged, and desired not reconciliation but separation. Surely this is mans' natural inclination, to remain separate from God, that he might go on in sin, which is his natural bent. #1. Yes, there is "enmity" between man and God and as such reconciliation must be both ways. Read 2 Corinthians 5.18-20, which explains that God is now reconciled and that we must be reconciled to him. This is the essence of the Gospel ministry. #2. There is also natural depravity. A love of sin. #3. Adam was banished from Eden as a just punishment for his sin. BUT Where in Genesis do you read that: a) he "desired not reconciliation but separation"?, or b) that his "natural inclination" was "to remain separate from God, that he might go on in sin, which is his natural bent"? |
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7/27/09 5:47 PM |
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John UK wrote: God told them that they would 'die', but what does 'die' mean? Maybe they didn't die at all? But if they 'did' die, then 'what' died? JohnGod does not lie, and therefore that they did die should not be doubted by any Bible believing Christian. They started to die physically and there was also spiritual death. But the issue to my mind is really what is it to die spiritually? Those who see man as tri-partite say that the spirit within man died. Although most reformed folk do not agree with the tri-partite view, they nevertheless come to the same conclusion. And so spiritual death to them means the same as physical death. What the body cannot do as a result of death must now by analogy be transferred to man in the spiritual realm. All spiritual activity therefore should cease. When one points to men and women "dead" in sins and tresspasses who still seek the spiritual, they can produce no good answer, but will resort to all sorts of philosophical nonsense, with quotes from their favorite authors, but with no biblical support. For my take on this, refer to Is. 59:2. |
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