James White debates Roman Catholic Apologist Gerry Matatics
This the second of two debates held in Denver, Colorado during the Papal visit in 1993. Does the New Testament allow for an office of Pope? Was there a Papacy in the Early Church? Was Peter the first Pope? Does Peter have a line of successors? Is the Pope truly the Head of the Church, the Vicar of Christ on Earth, and the leader of all Christians? These are crucial questions that must be answered. This is the set you need to give to anyone who is considering the Papacy as a biblical belief.
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“ Great Sermon! ” Excellent debate. Mr White mopped the floor with this guy with specific arguments and both sadly and predictably, this Catholic apologist only had standard-issue talking points available on any Catholic apologetics website which are as vague and generalized as they are worthless in light of centuries of church history.
Jim Lincoln (5/13/2016)
from Nebraska
“ '...on this Rock,' the Rock is Faith in Christ! ” Around 17:14 James shows the early church fathers rejected the idea of a single bishop of Rome but was led by an elder system for at least 200 years. When Pope Stephen finally came along, trying to boss people around, pontifex maximus, Bishops of bishops, was used as a term of derision by other bishops for the bishop of Rome. ¶ In the first rebuttal period 12 minutes long (starting at 54:48) If the Papacy is correct doctrine one should find proof of that in a variety of sources, but it isn't. Various examples are given by James where Rome was on the wrong side of a dispute. ¶ I think the most important part of this segment that Dr. White accurately pointed out that doctrine of the papacy did not exist throughout Church history. James does not know of single Christian Father of the first 700 years of Christianity that Isaiah 22:22 and Matthew 16 are connected in such a way to support papal doctrine. The papacy is not the ancient and constant faith of the Christian Church. Even Augustine say there was freedom in interpreting Matthew 16:17-18, a freedom the modern Romish Church doesn't allow.¶ The Rock -- Christ not Rock -- Peter! ¶ James' final 9 min. rebuttal starts at, 1:19:40. Clement supported a plurality of elders, not a Papacy. This rebuttal is very worthwhile to listen to.
Jim Lincoln (5/13/2016)
from Nebraska
“ Romish Church's False Claims! ” Dr. James White got to start this session of the debate, so James gets his first 25 minutes in, starting at !:17. ¶ Did the early Church fathers hold the same position as the modern Romish Church on the Papal prerogatives? The idea of Papal supremacy took place over time due to geographical and political factors. There is absolutely not apostolic tradition for the Papacy! Vatican I made the false premise for Petrine Primacy, but those of his successors as well. ¶{I will put a break here so you can see some of Dr. White's remarks in another debate on Peter. This one is printed out, so for example you can search with your browser for Vatican I and get James' responses on that, which will be similar but not exactly the same as the one's here. http://tinyurl.com/hje864v }¶ The Council of Nicaea rejected the idea of universal sovereignty of Rome. The Council of Caledon granted privileges were to Rome because it was the Royal City, and these privileges had nothing to do what was stated in the Bible. Pope Leo rejected the claims for Constantinople not because of Rome's supremacy, but to protect the rights of Alexandria and Antioch and of course, Rome's. Rome was respected in part because it had not competition in the western part of the Empire and it was lavish with gifts...
James White is the director of Alpha and Omega Ministries, a Christian apologetics organization based in Phoenix, Arizona. He is a professor, having taught Greek, New Testament Textual Criticism, Church history, and various topics in the field of apologetics. He has authored or...
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