Good considerations Really, modern translations manifest 'political correctness' tendencies of the day. As an observation, this can be asserted by the rendering of husband and wife instead of man and woman in I Corinthians 11:2-16 by which the teaching can be reduced to matrimonial context instead of universal context; or the variety of animal names rendered in the ESV for each time dragon appears in the AV.
Will Kinney (2/27/2014)
The ESVs - constantly changing Vatican Version The Ever Changing ESVs = just another Vatican Version
The ESV has already been through 3 different revisions in just 10 years. They keep changing their underlying Hebrew and Greek base (which is in fact the Vatican controlled UBS/Nestle-Aland "inter confessional" text)
The ESV omits even more whole verses from the N.T. than do the NIV, NASB and adds hundreds of words to the O.T. taken from selected portions of the various so called Greek Septuagints out there. Plus it rejects many clear Hebrew readings and waters down and corrupts several basic Christian doctrines.
Don't believe it? Then READ the article which includes many concrete examples.
"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." Luke 8:8
Shane Hokanson (7/9/2012)
from Valdez, Alaska
Great Sermon! Thank you Rev. Thackway for this message and warning about the newest waste of ink & paper. As you said - it is not in the line of Tyndale and the A.V.! The publisher and endorsers of this thing are just re-doing the NASV. The ESV is a fraud and a waste of money. Look at the way they have ruined John 1:18. Read that passage and tell me how many Gods does the ESV translator team have? Shame on Packer and Sproul for endorsing this repackaged RSV/NASV! This rotten thing uses the hideous W-H based Nestle/Aland 27th edition Greek text. I said "Amen" when you asked how many times before Nestle/Aland finally get it right?!(27 tries so far) and in this ESV they still can't figure out that there is a big difference between "Thou" and "you". Even the RSV got the pronouns correct but not this "newest" "bestest" edition which puts in brackets the resurrection of the Lord Jesus in Mark's Gospel. Sadly, it seems to be the new "darling" of so many reformed/conservative pastors and laymen. How many are able to memorize verses using this reheated RSV/NAS? ( almost as bad as the NIV). I won an ESV Study edition on a website and the only thing I like is the leather cover. Woe unto them who delete words/verses from God's Bible,and who put in brackets and notes and insert doubts. Is. 40:8
from Upper Midwest
Important information I encourage all Christians here to listen to this sermon. Several issues discussed are new to many, so dont expect it to sink in right away considering his audience has some background on this topic. However, the foundational issue discussed is when does a 'translation' become a faulty version.
Douglas Morrison (9/5/2010)
from S.C @US
Great Sermon! Thank you very much Rev.John.I needed your LOVE @this moment thankyou FATHER for John.Love Doug M
Great Sermon! Having heard this address and with a view to the point that J I Packer is the General Editor of the ESV one would expect a glowing recommendation by the 'puritan scholar'!
Possibly, he has a reason for seeking to revise and update the RSV? Providentially after hearing the above I read J I Packer also recently revised and updated his book 'Rediscovering Holiness' with praise for mother teresa, which is hardly the expectation from a Christian writer never mind any 'puritan' scholar.
http://strengthene dbygrace.wordpress.com/2009/12/ 03/j-i-packer-continued-disappo intment/
According to the F-K [Flesch-Kincaid] formula 74.3% of the books [in the KJV] are on or below the sixth grade level, and 94% are on or below the seventh grade level! . . . And the FRE [Flesch Reading Ease] rated 97% of the KJV books as Fairly Easy or Easy! These were all first place statistics!"
(D.A. Waite Jr, The Comparative Readability of the Authorized Version, p. 80)
A search on the web will reveal that the AV is actually easier to read than the ESV, but of course some would rather have any version but the AV. Please note what Rev Thackway mentions about why many have abandoned the NIV which was supposed to be the Superior replacement for the AV...if of course you believed the publishers blurb.
Summary: ESV is RSV 2.0 Behind all the marketing and glowing orthodox statements, and all the endorsements of modern "celebrity christianity"--yes, even among the most orthodox, "reformed", and "true church" experts, and even the Puritan scholar J.I. Packer--the speaker discloses that only 10 percent of the text of ESV is different than the RSV! Essentially the ESV is a revision of RSV to appear more "conservative" than NIV and more current than NKJV.
A criticism can be made of the speaker referring to "God's providence" in translations, for God works by "means", and it is "our responsibility" not to just "believe" in what we have, but to seek to preserve the word by all means possible, instead of fatalistically accepting "what is given us" by others. For this the Roman church does too. "Examine everything" we are commanded.
Scripture MUST be updated to the "vulgar" present language (for common understanding to successive generations), but only without compromise. For neither is the KJV infallible. The subjective arguments of the speaker leans heavily on sentimentalism and Elizabethan-ism.
new ESV fan (2/24/2009)
You've convinced me! ESV it is! Thanks for finally convincing me to make the switch!
Our minister is the Rev. John Thackway, who was born in Ilfracombe, north Devon, in 1950. From an unchurched background, the Lord called him by grace through the ministry of a local evangelical church. The call to the ministry soon followed, and after graduating from the Bible...