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FRONT PAGE  |  11/26/2022
TUESDAY, NOV 10, 2020  |  33 comments
Brits consider criminalizing dinner-table talk
Only weeks ago, Scotland's justice minister said he intends to clamp down on "hate speech" in private homes under a new bill that critics warn could make possessing the Bible a crime.

Now, a similar plan is developing in England and Wales.

The Law Commission, in a 540-page government document, has disclosed plans to lower the threshold for hate crimes, including criminalizing so-called "hate speech" in private dwellings, the U.K.'s Christian Institute said.


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News Item11/12/2020 8:17 AM
John Lee | Wales  Find all comments by John Lee
B. McCausland wrote:
The difference is that God's guidelines contribute to the benefit and improvement of societies...
Of course. If any person accepts, believes in, and obeys the word of God, society will be greatly benefited and they will improve in character.

The problem is, how does that work out in practice, say, in the UK?

I ask how, because the majority are not Christian, and therefore they are most unwilling to follow God's guidelines.

As for the ones that are Christians, it is a historical fact that many improvements in society were made by Christians who were following the teaching of Jesus Christ.

Now this is exactly what I am talking about, individuals or groups of Christians benefiting others through charitable works. Call it wealth-sharing if you like. A rich Christian can supply a hundred educational books, another Christian can loan their small building, and another wealthy Christian can give of their time and serve in the newly formed library. But why call that by a manmade name, when it is biblical Christianity for the rich to help the poor?

Starving families can be supported by others who are well off. Yes, biblical and wonderful.

But there's not much of it about.

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News Item11/12/2020 7:51 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Take care, John , God bless
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News Item11/12/2020 7:05 AM
John Lee | Wales  Find all comments by John Lee
B. McCausland wrote:
God given guidelines and utopias are two different things, they work against each other in a fallen world.
The difference is that God's guidelines contribute to the benefit and improvement of societies, while utopias as communism end in oppression, disillusion, disaster and dispair
Sister, one of the problems is that you are using manmade terms to illustrate manmade principles and focussing on them. Let us forget socialism and communism and Marxism and Leninisn and fascism and any other ism not found in the Bible (Calvinism, Arminianism, and so on).

Rather let us look at the teaching of Jesus Christ (which is Christianity) and see there the principles upon which God works. And we find it is upside down to what the world loves.

Matthew 6:24 KJV
(24) No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

[Our blessed Lord shows here the utter impossibility of loving the world and loving God at the same time; or, in other words, that a man of the world cannot be a truly religious character.
How dangerous is it to set our hearts upon riches, seeing it is so easy to make them our God!] Clarke

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News Item11/12/2020 6:40 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
God given guidelines and utopias are two different things, they work against each other in a fallen world.

The difference is that God's guidelines contribute to the benefit and improvement of societies, while utopias as communism end in oppression, disillusion, disaster and dispair.

The gospel our age needs starts with accountability unto God,
"repent and believe that gospel"

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News Item11/12/2020 6:00 AM
John Lee | Wales  Find all comments by John Lee
B. McCausland wrote:
Would you rather have it like this?
No, but this is how I've got it, and in forty years or more a Christian and ready for the grave, I doubt I'll ever see your utopia.

What I find amazing is that you claim to know God's will for society, yet God doesn't bless his own will and it cannot be found anywhere in the world. Don't you think that strange, sister?

Now if biblical Christianity was to be taught, instead of the pat on the head, believe these things and you'll have a great and prosperous life, maybe the rich would have a change of heart, and try to see and understand their struggling brethren, and communicate. Instead of this, they hoard their earnings and use it for private hospital treatment, and then say, "Look at how God is looking after me."

Have you ever wondered why the Word/Faith people never hold meetings among the poor? It is because they have nothing to put in their big buckets which they normally carry around auditoriums and immediately deposit in their bank accounts. Most excellent capitalism! Free Enterprise! And nothing illegal about what they do. This is much better than getting hand-me-outs, eh? Indulgences is another method, no different.

God or mammon? Choose.

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News Item11/12/2020 5:35 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
John Lee wrote:
Sure thing, God's ways are good and they are the best. But if the minority Christian sector cannot or will not attain to them, then you cannot blame the poorest Christians from getting help from wherever they can, which, in the UK, is from the beloved guv.
Fine, you can, but the leanness of heart towards the things of God such setting creates in society, is reason enough to lament, if not abhor, socialism.

People cuddled by the 'beloved' state, are told they are good, and deserving what ever the case, so provision is guaranteed on such grounds from the cradle to the grave.
In short God is dispensable, cause and effect is not relevant any more, rewards from His part are not extant, hell?!? Why bother.
Accountability gone who cares about those crazy preachers down the lane ...

Would you rather have it like this?

The god of this world uses the socialistic setting to blind many more by a bland shot ... A whole country at a time perhaps ...

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News Item11/12/2020 5:12 AM
John Lee | Wales  Find all comments by John Lee
B. McCausland wrote:
Do you reckon God's principles are worth taking on board in any society or country?
There you have your answer.
God did not intend man to function as a member of a communal which would take responsibility of his needs, but as an individual with personal accountability exercising personal initiative, discernment and judgement.
Surely the law included charitable guidelines for tragic outcomes, but not for the state to take over .
Modern demographics have distorted this picture shifting responsibilities to the state, to the point of having today 'Christian Socialists' in the milenial rank of the evangelicals
Sure thing, God's ways are good and they are the best. But if the minority Christian sector cannot or will not attain to them, then you cannot blame the poorest Christians from getting help from wherever they can, which, in the UK, is from the beloved guv.
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News Item11/12/2020 4:55 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
John Lee wrote:
Sister B, are you describing a system that could and should be? Or a system that is actually working in a real country, somewhere in the world? Thank you.
Do you reckon God's principles are worth taking on board in any society or country?
There you have your answer.

God did not intend man to function as a member of a communal which would take responsibility of his needs, but as an individual with personal accountability exercising personal initiative, discernment and judgement.
Surely the law included charitable guidelines for tragic outcomes, but not for the state to take over .

Modern demographics have distorted this picture shifting responsibilities to the state, to the point of having today 'Christian Socialists' in the milenial rank of the evangelicals

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News Item11/12/2020 3:13 AM
John Lee | Wales  Find all comments by John Lee
B. McCausland wrote:
John, when free enterprise works it takes care of all those instances, but from different means, and angles because,
...
Sister B, are you describing a system that could and should be? Or a system that is actually working in a real country, somewhere in the world? Thank you.
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News Item11/11/2020 6:27 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
John, when free enterprise works it takes care of all those instances, but from different means, and angles because,

1. Economies work better, are more productive and self-sufficient when individuals manage their affairs without interference reducing bureocracy costs

2. Taxation diminishing, wealth increases giving place to personal philanthropy: the state concentrates in order and safety

3. Charity and education return to their ordained places of function: the individual, the church and the family

4. The implementation of cause and effect rids society of financial parasits, absurd claims and hand me outs, giving way to affordable private insurances for cases of accident, theft or conflict

5. The cost vice generates in governmental sources gets tampered by placing the individual in charge of the consequences of his own poor choices, say selfish breakage of relationships, addictions, abuse, or reckless living. Hence crime reduction will follow.

We have created a society of self entitlement, where we take all we have as a 'right', when in reality they are unmerited privileges derived from a wrong concept of man, his nature and ethics

Talks on socialism can be found in SA. On understanding directives, the rest, say the said above, falls into place.

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News Item11/11/2020 5:29 PM
John Lee | Wales  Find all comments by John Lee
B. McCausland wrote:
Yes, this is the point, when taxes are used to redistribute wealth, provide Healthcare and hand outs, administer education, regulate policy, exercise charity and impose life styles, etc...
The only role of the state is to punish evil, as given in Rom 13, not to be the all in all benefactor.
Sister B, are you saying that all public sector workers are non kosha, unless they are working in the justice departments?

And are you saying that we ought go back to those dreadful days when the poor in society could not access any medical treatment or a dentist because of the cost?

And that if your house was on fire, all you could expect was a little help from neighbours with buckets of water, and no-one was there who could rescue granny from her top floor apartment, so she died.

And there would be no free loan of books from places like libraries?

And many children would never attend a school because their parents could not afford to pay for their education?

And a man who had been mugged and left half dead in the street could expect no help from the guv, even though he could never work again due to his injuries?

Or am I mistaking something?

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News Item11/11/2020 4:15 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Adriel wrote:
1. How the country uses and applies its taxes is one thing.
2. Socialism is entirely another question.
3. "Non-Socialism" = Is not the private ownership of everything.
1. Yes, this is the point, when taxes are used to redistribute wealth, provide Healthcare and hand outs, administer education, regulate policy, exercise charity and impose life styles, etc...
The only role of the state is to punish evil, as given in Rom 13, not to be the all in all benefactor.

2. Socialism is when the state over steps its God given role.

3. Non socialism is free market, empowering the individual with personal accountability, iniciative and the rewards of his own hands.

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News Item11/11/2020 3:59 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
B. McCausland wrote:
1. Fine, who owns or controls the British postal system, healthcare, benefits, social wellfare policy and practice, education, pensions, the BBC, railways, interest rates, and water sources in Britain?
How the country uses and applies its taxes is one thing.

Socialism is entirely another question.

"Non-Socialism" = Is not the private ownership of everything.

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News Item11/11/2020 3:38 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Adriel wrote:
1. "Socialism is an ideology or system based on the collective, public ownership and control of the resources used to make and distribute goods or provide services. This involves ownership of such things not by private individuals but by the public (the community as a whole), often in the form of a centralized government.
2. The things needed to make goods or offer services— Under socialism, the means of production are owned collectively, rather than by private enterprises."
1. Fine, who owns or controls the British postal system, healthcare, benefits, social wellfare policy and practice, education, pensions, the BBC, railways, interest rates, and water sources in Britain?
Socialism works by statism, when the state dictates industry minimum wage, quota production, licence to exports/imports, hours of work, pension scheme, taxation tarif, and ethical definitions.

2. Raw products used to make wealth are regulated by Brussels, pacts and treaties. E.g. Who took away British fisheries and why? Why farmers are told how many heads of cattle can produce in exchange for subsidies? Why grants to turn pasture land into forest?

In all, theoretical definitions sound often nice when disconnected from reality

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News Item11/11/2020 3:04 PM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
B. McCausland wrote:
Adriel, Perhaps you are dreaming in the past
BM:

"Socialism is an ideology or system based on the collective, public ownership and control of the resources used to make and distribute goods or provide services. This involves ownership of such things not by private individuals but by the public (the community as a whole), often in the form of a centralized government.

The things needed to make goods or offer services—the raw materials, tools, factories, and labor—are known as the means of production. Under socialism, the means of production are owned collectively, rather than by private enterprises." (Dictionary.com)

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News Item11/11/2020 2:37 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Adriel wrote:
1... a Monarchy and a House of Lords ...
2. There is a strong capitalist tradition in British society too ...
3.... there is a strong socialist presence in...
4. the administration of industry and commerce is a management based organisation which is accepted by most of the workers.
5. a strong middle class tradition in the nation.
6. An interesting recent event is that Boris Johnson won, over the Labour Party, and demonstrated a strong support for a conservative mandate for this parliament.
Adriel, Perhaps you are dreaming in the past
1. Those are forms of government, socialism is made of financial and ethical policies

2. This has not survived European Treaties, global policies and banking strategies

3.Socialism is more than an ideology

4.Management and workers are subject to amoral taxation and miriad regulations

5. Midle class is disapearing

6. Your point here contradicts your previous statement:
"Theresa May, David Cameron and Phillip Hammond are examples of the Left - And therefore Liberals masquerading as Right."

Perhaps you are not aware of the lengths our wellfare system has arrived: redistributing wealth, rewarding vice and poor choices, while penalising making wealth.
This is socialism

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News Item11/11/2020 11:49 AM
Adriel  Find all comments by Adriel
B. McCausland wrote:
Like it or not, Britain is a socialist country,
Not quite!!!

With a Monarchy and a House of Lords and a very strong tradition of maintaining these institutions — thus far — Britain is not completely socialist.
There is a strong capitalist tradition in British society too which negates the idea that Britain is ALL socialist.

Yes there is a strong socialist presence in certain areas of both Scotland and England but not comprehensive.
The administration of industry and commerce is a management based organisation which is accepted by most of the workers. And a strong middle class tradition in the nation.

An interesting recent event is that Boris Johnson won, over the Labour Party, and demonstrated a strong support for a conservative mandate for this parliament.

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News Item11/11/2020 9:45 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
The goal of socialism is communism.
Vladimir Lenin
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News Item11/11/2020 8:28 AM
John Lee | Wales  Find all comments by John Lee
Frank wrote:
Yes brother, I remember in communist Romania that the local authorities had to approve sermons; it was illegal to witness outside a church setting; and it was illegal to sell or print Christian books.
What we are seeing is the beginning of the end brother.
This also is what I believe brother pilgrim. It is escalating rapidly.

I was thinking yesterday about how long it would take for a steam locomotive to get up enough steam for it to start work. I concluded a lot longer than it would take for a diesel locomotive to be ready for action.

The Almighty is getting up steam, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
_______________

Thank you Sister B, and Adriel bro.

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News Item11/11/2020 7:06 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Like it or not, Britain is a socialist country, in practice at least, and to arrive to this it has to be a liberalist country already, because one cannot get to socialism without shedding away principle, value, sound logic, national identity, right, personal accountability, and historical context and heritage.
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