Vatican seeks 'courageous' ideas to combat priest shortage
The Vatican called Friday for courageous proposals to cope with a shortage of priests in the Amazon, and said it wouldn't rule out debate on whether married men could step in to fill the "precariously-thin presence" of the Catholic Church in the vast region.
In a preparatory document seeking input from South American bishops for the Vatican's 2019 meeting on the Amazon, organizers also said the church must identify new "official ministries" for women to play in the region.
The call was not a suggestion that women could be ordained priests, which Catholic doctrine forbids and Pope Francis has reaffirmed....
Christopher, I only defend the scriptural Catholic doctrines. When I met with my Baptist Pastor in April 2017 to arrange my Baptism via immersion I was questioned thoroughly by him to make sure that I was truly saved and a proper candidate for Baptism. He asked if I had received Jesus as my Lord and Savior. When I responded in the affirmative then Pastor was satisfied that I am truly saved. I told Pastor that I attended Ash Wednesday Mass at the local Catholic parish and that I was going to observe Lent this year. I also told Pastor that I would not be attending my Baptist Church on Easter Sunday as I would be attending Easter Sunday Mass at the local Catholic parish. Pastor had no problem that I would be attending Mass instead of attending my Baptist Church on Easter Sunday. A week ago today one of the Deacons(who was a very dear friend) from my Baptist Church passed away from cancer of his lymphatic nodes in his neck a little over 3 weeks after being diagnosed with cancer. He was cremated and his Memorial Service will be held this coming Thursday at a Lutheran Church in town because the sanctuary of my Baptist Church is not big enough.
Perfect example here Jhn Y, In what I am saying how your song & dance are contrary to others. As former Priest Richard Bennett was enslaved to Rome for 22 years. As he shares his loyalty that he once had directed towards Rome & the Catholic Priesthood. As he shares his testimony through the tug of war he was fighting against, as the Lord was opening him up to Gods Word, to study it & exam it, in what Rome was telling him, through her teachings.
Richard Bennett; I left the Roman Catholic Church when I saw that life in Jesus Christ wasnât possible while remaining true to Roman Catholic doctrine. Contrary to your statement Jhn Y, of justifying in still attend Rome.
Your Decisional Regeneration means nothing if your life, your actions, arenât lined up with Christ, through baring good fruit worthy of repentance. A relationship with Christ is being a doer & a hearer, that yearning for Godliness in ones life isnât a mere option for one either amen!; LK 6:46 âBut why do you call Me âLord, Lord,â & donât do the things which I say?
Jhn Y; Your feelings arenât above Scriptures, just as traditions arenât on the same level as Scriptures, as Rome clearly promotes that teaching.
Jhn Y; I have read many & listen to many who have came out of the grips of the bondage of Rome, & they have a completely different song & dance of yours. You obviously have issues with Truth & clearly donât take Christ to His Word, in that you have no issues in how Rome blasphemy Christ or reduces Him, in need of sinners accepting Him. Is very reveling that you donât have strong roots in your foundation that are pressing you deeply into His Word. If you did, you wouldnât bei going to the links you are, in trying to justify why you still attend Rome, in a weekly Mass attendance. As Brother Christopher, my self & others have been lovingly calling you out, to press yourself to His Word; Acts 17:11. For your justifications donât line up with Scriptures. As you take no issues sadly in the part taking of the blasphemy that Rome does amen; Mat 7:21-23
Come on now, John. What's false is your incessant claim that has no truth to it, whatsoever. You know full well that nobody has ever once said anything of the sort, and if you can dig up just one, single example, I'll send you $1000. to get your dreams started, and everyone here can hold me to that. Just one. Here's what they have said in a nutshell...you are called into serious question, your sincerity, that is, because you claim to be born from above, yet refuse to leave a system that opposes God Himself on almost all levels...fatal levels. God makes it clear that He hates that false system of religion, yet you speak fondly of it, and even defend it while making it clear that you will never leave their grip. The kicker is that you know you're wrong, because there's no other reason that you would have lied to your Pastor and church members, by omission, in order to gain their trust and secure membership.
Frank wrote: Well troll just for the record; now that SteveR is gone there are none that believe you are saved. Now how could "all" of these people be wrong?
You guys are wrong because you guys seem to believe that it is required for salvation that when one receives Jesus as their Lord and Savior that they have to leave a Non Evangelical Protestant Church entirely and attend only an Evangelical Protestant Church. And that simply is false. If I was not truly saved and under the guidance of the Holy Spirit then I would never have started to attend my Baptist Church faithfully every Sunday morning and I would not be growing spiritually at my Baptist Church. Previously I stated that I would never attend any Evangelical Protestant Church.
John Yurich USA wrote: NeedHim, Of course I don't believe in Purgatory or that Mass is a sacrifice or any of the other unscriptural Catholic doctrines. Just who do you think you are anyway to state that I am not really saved? When I met with my Baptist Pastor in April 2017 to request Baptism I was questioned thoroughly by him to make sure that I was truly saved and a proper candidate for Baptism. I was asked if I had accepted/received Jesus as my Lord and Savior and trust entirely in Him alone for salvation. And when I stated that I had accepted/received Jesus as my Lord and Savior and trust entirely in Him alone for salvation then Pastor was satisfied that I am truly saved. If I was not truly saved then I would not be growing spiritually at my Baptist Church.
Well troll just for the record; now that SteveR is gone there are none that believe you are saved. Now how could "all" of these people be wrong?
NeedHim, Of course I don't believe in Purgatory or that Mass is a sacrifice or any of the other unscriptural Catholic doctrines. Just who do you think you are anyway to state that I am not really saved? When I met with my Baptist Pastor in April 2017 to request Baptism I was questioned thoroughly by him to make sure that I was truly saved and a proper candidate for Baptism. I was asked if I had accepted/received Jesus as my Lord and Savior and trust entirely in Him alone for salvation. And when I stated that I had accepted/received Jesus as my Lord and Savior and trust entirely in Him alone for salvation then Pastor was satisfied that I am truly saved. If I was not truly saved then I would not be growing spiritually at my Baptist Church.
Jhn Y; Their is no Purgatory for one, as that is utterly blasphemy against Christ; Heb 9:27! Donât perish away in your great Robotic come backs, that are great indicators. Of the spiritual deception you are under, as itâs clear you arenât examining the Word of God closely, as if your soul was dependent on it, Acts 17:11!
Something I was reading; To deny that Roman Catholicism is a cult is to repudiate the reformation &!mock the millions of martyrs who died at Rome's hands. The "Christ" of Roman Catholicism is just as false as its "Mary." Remember that a cult according to the Word of God is any group of people that worship anything or anyone other than Jesus Christ, & believe anything contrary to His word as recorded in the Bible. Roman Catholicism isnât truly Christian, but is in fact an offshoot of Christianity & the largest & oldest "Christian" cult in the world. In addition, the display of adoration, the gaudy parade of a mere man as if he were a god, the pandering to idolatrous worship through bowing down & kissing his ring, the insistence that he be addressed as "His Holiness the Pope" or "Father" of all Christians cannot but confirm to any Christian that the Roman Catholic church is a cult.
Jhn Y; You can say what ever you like, but your justifications & reasonings of why so. That you are still supporting Rome & still attending a Mass, that Mocks Christ & His accomplishment on & through the Cross Alone. Jhn Y; it only takes one drop of Cyanide Poison to kill one, & the links you go to justify Rome, is reflective of the Spiritual deadness of the bad fruit you are baring.
As many others who have came out from Rome bondage, donât justify Rome like you do Jhn Y. May the Lord have mercy on you, through your great spiritual deception, you are in. As you are spiritually unregenerate & in dier need of spiritual adoption that only Christ Alone can do for one alone amen.
NeedHim wrote: Another reminder from Jhn Y, that sadly he is going to split Hell Wide Open, in trying to Justify Rome. As Rome clearly promotes a insufficient Jesus. Blasphemy Jhn Y; To promote a insufficient Jesus of Rome, you arenât looking to the scriptures to shape & mold you to them.
Luther who was as anti Catholic as can be did not even believe that the Catholic Church worships a false jesus. I look to scripture to shape and mold me. I am growing spiritually at my Baptist Church.
Another reminder from Jhn Y, that sadly he is going to split Hell Wide Open, in trying to Justify Rome. As Rome clearly promotes a insufficient Jesus.
Blasphemy Jhn Y; To promote a insufficient Jesus of Rome, you arenât looking to the scriptures to shape & mold you to them. Instead of molding yourself to traditions & ideas that Scriptures donât Aline up with Rome insufficient Jesus!; 2 Cor 5:8 , Phi 1:23.
Sickening to Jesus on many levels & layers Rome; Through indulgences the faithful can obtain the remission of temporal punishment resulting from sin for themselves & also for the souls in Purgatoryâ (CCC #1498).
MS wrote: Roman Catholicism is just another humanistic cursed religion of the world. God has His elect from out of every kindred, and tongue,and people, and nations; whom will be called out of very false works based/free will/man invented nonsense. Hallelujah !
Roman Catholicism is not a humanistic religion because it believes in and worships the one true triune God by worshiping Jesus as God.
For what it is worth, I was raised RC and the Lord saved me in a Biblical Reformed Evangelical church at the age of 33. I can tell you that the RC is Satanic. When I when to my friend's father's funeral (after a long time away from any RC church), I was astonished to hear the "priest" pray my friend's dead dad out of purgatory and into heaven. After that blasphemy, the "priest" then instructed all of us to pray to my friend's dad whenever we need something or are going through difficulty. Bottom line, it's Pharaisical, blasphemous, and supersitious. Does that mean there are no believers in the RC church? No, but the few who are there get saved inspite of RC doctrine...not because of it. If the Lord can save me (and it is all of grace), he can save anybody. But the RC is not Christian...that's my story and I'm sticking to it!
Roman Catholicism is just another humanistic cursed religion of the world. God has His elect from out of every kindred, and tongue,and people, and nations; whom will be called out of very false works based/free will/man invented nonsense.
I'm quite aware that, as sinners, they generally have their own views and aren't particularly interested in hearing anyone who says otherwise (whether right or wrong).
I think it is better to argue from Scripture, because, even if they outwardly appear to be attempting to win the debate, they still have to deal with knowing themselves to be resisting and opposing God, rather than merely disagreeing with another sinner - and if they ever get around to acknowledging what they understand inwardly, it can turn into a very powerful and practical testament to the truth, mercy, justice, and righteousness of God, and can go a long way in helping to guide them along a more godly path.
It is doubtful whether they'd listen to us if all we seem to do is rail against the "Papal Antichrist"
It is far beyond doubtful that they would listen to us regardless of what we say. To expect unregenerate men to forsake a shot at unlimited wealth and unlimited power is unrealistic to say the least. In all likelihood, the first time they will acknowledge an authority higher than themselves will be when they hear the words, "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels."
It is doubtful whether they'd listen to us if all we seem to do is rail against the "Papal Antichrist", take the reasons for our position for granted, present Rome with a command to shut down without much of an explanation or reasoning, and act like they're performing some great sin by disobeying us.
I think that, before we get to the conclusion, we should make use of basic arguments which can not be ignored without its being blatant impiety and foolishness: Something like 'God destroyed Nadab and Abihu for presuming to determine how God is to be worshipped, explicitly forbade the formation and worship of images, mentioned nothing about an "economy of images" or about "dulia" and "latria" categories which would permit men to act in manners which a plain reading of Scripture would condemn as sinful, but we do see Christ coming in and casting down the prevailing religious authority, we do see text in Scripture which speaks of candlesticks being removed from their place and branches broken off the tree, and it is clearly stated in Scripture that we as sinners tend to make decisions in a foolish and prideful and rebellious manner, so maybe you people should take the time and reconsider your stance in light of the warnings which God has graciously given you.'