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FRONT PAGE  |  1/28/2022
SATURDAY, OCT 3, 2015  |  25 comments
Pastor Chides Christians Who Read Filthy Gossip on Internet and Believe It

In the message pegged on the parable of the prodigal son, titled "The Believer's Battle," posted on his church's website, Morris said he was concerned about the amount of time people spend on the Internet — particularly on blogs that focus on Christian leaders.

"I have to say this, um, I'm really concerned about how much time people spend on the Internet. I'm extremely concerned about it. Extremely concerned about it."

"And, I, um, you can't imagine how many people have told me, that 'this is true.' How ya' know it's true? 'Read it on the Internet,'" he said.

"Anybody can write on the Internet. And the people who write on the Internet are people who would not have a platform, unless they put my name, or Bill Hybels' name, or T.D. Jakes' name in it. They wouldn't have a platform if they didn't put someone's name who already had a platform. Boy, I'm just fired up, I'm telling ya'," he said. ...


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News Item10/4/15 4:00 PM
Grand Pooh Bah | Mikado Operetta  Find all comments by Grand Pooh Bah
I didn't know there was a difference between clean and dirty gossip. I assumed it was all bad.
But then, who can believe what you read on the Internet? We certainly don't believe what you read on social media like Twitter and Facebook. Doesn't it annoy you to see T. comments posted in a story you are reading online (sorry, but that's not a good idea to start with, but how are you going to find up to date info on your favorite team's game?)

Also, it seems like this guy thinks he has superior control over his listeners. Anyone can leave his group, and if they did, his whole standing would disappear.

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News Item10/4/15 10:37 AM
Round Red Robin | Arboles  Find all comments by Round Red Robin
NeedHim wrote:
"DISCERNMENT is NOT knowing the difference between RIGHT and WRONG. It is knowing the difference between RIGHT and ALMOST RIGHT."— Charles,Spurgeon
,"Beware of the False Prophets"! (Matt 7:15-20)
I
Just now saw on the Internet
Morris warns not to trust
What you see on the Internet.

Net
Snare.

Mine eyes are ever toward the Lord; for he shall pluck my feet out of the net.

Ps 25:15

And they straightway left their nets, and followed him.
Matt 4:20

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News Item10/4/15 10:14 AM
NeedHim  Find all comments by NeedHim
"DISCERNMENT is NOT knowing the difference between RIGHT and WRONG. It is knowing the difference between RIGHT and ALMOST RIGHT."— Charles,Spurgeon

Do you have BIBLICAL DISCERNMENT & COMPARE what you're being TAUGHT with GOD's WORD? There's just enough TRUTH in what False Teachers say to come across as being Credible & Biblical.That's why Jesus warns,"Beware of the False Prophets"! (Matt 7:15-20)

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News Item10/3/15 4:25 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
silver lined wrote:
WARNING OF SIN AND ERROR IS NOT GOSSIP.
Marking false teachers and warning about compromisers is not gossip or slander.
I have the right and responsibility as a preacher to mark those who depart from the Word of God. I do not have to get their permission to do so, and I do not have to approach them first. If their error is public and persistent, my responsibility is to warn of them publicly, ...
Slander is spreading ill-founded, untrue things about others with the intent to injure them.
Right. If veridic things and warnings are exposed to honour truth for edification, not to tear down others in malice, this is not slander, nor iddle gossip.
Yet, mutual bickering, stubborn misunderstandings and backbitting here may give occasion to the enemies of Christ to jump into the wagon of slandering the forum as a nucleus of willful 'gossip" as incorrectly SteveR implies, and for this reason the definitions in the previous post were outlined.

Let speech be flavoured with grace, not resent, pride, or spite, may truth be spoken with love, and may we know the wisdom of when an end to speaking should be.
Kind regards

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News Item10/3/15 3:34 PM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
"There is one thing which is even worse than controversy, and that is false doctrine tolerated, allowed, and permitted without protest or molestation. It was controversy that won the battle of Protestant Reformation. It is a plain Scriptural duty to ‘contend earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints.’ (Jude 3) “I am quite aware that the things I have said are exceedingly distasteful to many minds. I believe many are content with teaching which is not the whole truth, and fancy it will be ‘all the same’ in the end. I am sorry for them. I am convinced that nothing but the whole truth is likely, as a general rule, to do good to souls. I am satisfied that those who willfully put up with anything short of the whole truth, will find at last that their souls have received much damage. Three things there are which men never ought to trifle with, – a little poison, a little false doctrine, and a little sin.” J. C. Ryle
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News Item10/3/15 3:30 PM
silver lined | cloud  Find all comments by silver lined
“Not for that we have dominion over your faith, but are helpers of your joy: for by faith ye stand” (2 Cor. 1:24).
WARNING OF SIN AND ERROR IS NOT GOSSIP.
Marking false teachers and warning about compromisers is not gossip or slander. Paul warned of false teachers and compromisers by name ten times in 1&2 Tim. alone. If a church leader publicly teaches error, it is not gossip or slander for men of God to warn about the issue publicly. I have often been charged with being a slanderer or a busybody when I have named men such as Billy Graham or Jerry Falwell or James Dobson and have warned about error. This is not slander. I have the right and responsibility as a preacher to mark those who depart from the Word of God. I do not have to get their permission to do so, and I do not have to approach them first. If their error is public and persistent, my responsibility is to warn of them publicly, just as Paul did in regard to Hymenaeus and Alexander(1 Tim. 1:20), Phygellus&Hermogenes (2 Tim. 1:15), Hymenaeus&Philetus (2 Tim. 2:17), Demas(2 Tim. 4:10),&Alexander the coppersmith (2 Tim. 4:14-15). Paul did this in epistles that were intended for distribution to all of the churches.

Slander is spreading ill-founded, untrue things about others with the intent to injure them."Cloud

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News Item10/3/15 2:23 PM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
SteveR wrote:
SA is the premier gossip column of Christian leadership on the net

Good slip | Slippery slope wrote
Speaking Truth To Proper parties For good purposes isn't gossip

Gossip: conversation or reports about other people's private lives that might be malicious, unkind, or not true

Slander: make false and damaging statements about, defame, smear.

May perception and valid judgement refrain from distorting truth by suppositions, exaggerations or outlandish statements.

"he that is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is judged of no man" 1Co 2:15

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News Item10/3/15 2:09 PM
Wonderer | Perpllexity  Find all comments by Wonderer
It seems that this is referring to a local church problem.

Remember that the Church still was being planted as well as churches were being planted.
This was the inception of truth being authenticated by and through the power of the Gospel.
There was a weeding, a sorting out. We simply refuse to submit to truth because we have become proud and boastful; as though we have something based on our merits.

What is happening on this blog is exposing & criticizing those taken in a fault, whom we will never meet personally. Otherwise, we should go to them directly.
Beyond this, we are being busy bodies; sticking our noses into another man's business.
These are the days when natural affection and genuine love for the brethren is waning rapidly. For love covers a multitude of sins.
Love is a covering. Our speech should minister grace at all times. We should pray & watch God answer.

Phl 4:8,9
... brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things... ye have both learned, and received, and heard,
The truth is that believers are hid in Christ. They are family.

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News Item10/3/15 2:06 PM
ladybug  Find all comments by ladybug
Well stated Good slip, how true. Men like Morris want to falsely accuse those who expose error as 'gossip' because he himself is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Here is a statement of belief from his megachurch website - "and personal acceptance of Him into one’s life as Lord and Savior (regeneration).... Salvation is an act of free will in response to God’s personal love for mankind. It is predestined only in the sense that God, through His omniscience, foreknew those who would choose Him." source - http://gatewaypeople.com/ministries/life/statement-of-faith

Notice how regeneration is twisted, it is the Holy Spirit that rebirths the sinner and NOT the sinner's 'choice'. John 3 clearly teaches so. Morris accredits man with saving himself based on his 'free will', yet, the Bible clearly states salvation is of God, given by grace as a gift {see Ephesians 2:8-9}. Morris is just another mega-pastoring wolf fleecing the deluded and attacking the remnant who would dare expose him and his kind for what they are.

A couple of years back Huckabee gave a good motivational speech at this church that really tickled the ear; Bill Hybel did the same - http://gatewaypeople.com/ministries/life/events/first-2014/session/2014/01/07/mike-huckabee

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News Item10/3/15 1:30 PM
Good slip | Slippery slope  Find all comments by Good slip
Speaking Truth To Proper parties For good purposes isn't gossip

It is not wrong to share truthful things with those who have a right to such information.

For example, it was not gossip for the household of Chloe to tell Paul about the problems in the church at Corinth (1 Cor. 1:11). As the founder of that church, Paul had a right to know about those problems. It is not talebearing to talk to a pastor or Sunday School teacher or deacon about matters in church members’ lives that they should know about. It is not talebearing to talk to a father or mother about matters affecting their children.

It was not gossip or slander for Paul to remind Timothy that the Cretians had a poor national character which he described in such strong terms as “liars, evil beasts, slow bellies” (Titus 1:12). What Paul said about the Cretians (quoting one of their own poets) was true, and his motive was not to hurt them but to help them (“that they may be sound in the faith” verse 13) and to further the work of Jesus Christ in Crete.

It is not wrong for a Christian to warn another person about a serious problem in a church or organization, so long as the information is true and the motive is not to hurt but to help and warn.

http://www.wayoflife.org/database/whatisgossip.html

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News Item10/3/15 1:13 PM
Desiring Cleanliness | Washpot  Find all comments by Desiring Cleanliness
SteveR wrote:
SA is the premier gossip column of Christian leadership on the net
Ditto. Ditto. Ditto.

Let speech minister grace to the hearer.

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News Item10/3/15 1:05 PM
SteveR | Mt Zion  Find all comments by SteveR
SA is the premier gossip column of Christian leadership on the net
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News Item10/3/15 12:34 PM
NeedHim  Find all comments by NeedHim
Another worth while read that clearly shows that T.D.Jakes has no clue what the gospel is.Why our sin is high treason against a holy God,making it to be a infinite crime.Because of the one who I am sinning against is utterly Holy,Holy,Holy.Making all sin to be such horrible thing as it defiles the Purity of God's Holy Character of sinlessness amen.

http://betterthansacrifice.org/2012/01/22/a-review-of-t-d-jakes-code-orange-sermon/

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News Item10/3/15 12:28 PM
Frank  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Don Rose wrote:
Pastor T.D. Jakes says he doesn't support same-sex marriage, however, his vote and support for Barack Obama, an avid supporter of same-sex marriage, says that he does support same-sex marriage.
Pastor Jakes cannot have it both ways! He cannot separate himself from the views and beliefs of a man whom he voted for and supported for president of our country.
Also, his vote for and support of Barack Obama as president makes him just as guilty of the murders of born-alive and unborn babies by the horrific procedure of abortion!
We can't live our lives for Jesus Christ and at the same time support those who advocate and condone sin!
I didn't read the article, but I don't have to. Your comment was outstanding; perhaps the best I have heard on supporting false believers. Yes, it is not the homosexuals who control things, but the millions who support them through their votes and their silence. And of course the same can be said for abortion or any other abominations we can think of, such as greed and feminism.

Oh, and Morris is James Robison's pastor or one who is often praised by Robison and Robison is of course the one who got Huckabee started. Talk about ecumenicalism.

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News Item10/3/15 11:54 AM
NeedHim  Find all comments by NeedHim
Don't be shocked & surprised by the likes of TD Jakes.Yes he is a good speaker who knows how to whip up a crowd in a frenzy of emotionalism but the substance behind it.Is liken to be a mile wided on the outer surface but when further examined it's only a center Meter deep amen.

Worth while reading here on the Bishop.

http://apprising.org/2014/01/11/t-d-jakes-repents-of-word-faith-heresy-and-mythology/

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News Item10/3/15 11:45 AM
s c | Oh  Find all comments by s c
I don't anything about this Pastor but he would appear to be under conviction.
I do know that Christians are not to gossip and will check their sources. People like the Grahams,Osteen,Jakes,etc. are all very public in expressing their opinions and beliefs that are antithetical to the Word of God. Their very words (in interviews,their books,etc.) betray them as either being double-minded,compromising or ignorant.
We would pray that they would all repent for they have much influence.
Of course,not all who follow or support these people are exempt from accountability either nor are they "victims". There is a vast difference between babes in Christ and those who shun God's Word.
Those who have been given the truth and continue to dismiss it are equally accountable.
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News Item10/3/15 10:31 AM
Don Rose | Wilmington, NC  Contact via emailFind all comments by Don Rose
Pastor T.D. Jakes says he doesn't support same-sex marriage, however, his vote and support for Barack Obama, an avid supporter of same-sex marriage, says that he does support same-sex marriage.

Pastor Jakes cannot have it both ways! He cannot separate himself from the views and beliefs of a man whom he voted for and supported for president of our country.

Also, his vote for and support of Barack Obama as president makes him just as guilty of the murders of born-alive and unborn babies by the horrific procedure of abortion!

We can't live our lives for Jesus Christ and at the same time support those who advocate and condone sin!

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News Item10/3/15 10:25 AM
Anti Emergent | Old school  Find all comments by Anti Emergent
NeedHim wrote:
Morris is worthy to be exposed .,,
http://apprising.org/2012/11/23/word-faith-pastor-robert-morris-calls-mormon-glenn-beck-a-believer/
There Christian Research Network associate editor Erin Benziger of Do Not Be Surprised… told us that:

Pastor Robert Morris of Gateway Church perhaps may be best known for his Blessed Life sermon series and accompanying book. His message from this series is quite popular among attractional, seeker-driven pastors. Why? Because the core of this message is that one must tithe to one’s church in order for God to be able to bless him.

Of course, mega church pastors thrive on this type of message, which is largely driven from a misuse of Malachi 3:10. Morris has preached at such venues as Saddleback Church, and has taken his Blessed Life series to Perry Noble’s Newspring Church as well. Indeed, his influence can be seen among many of our favorite mega church pastors.

In days to come, I’ll more fully document Morris’ increasing influence within Seeker Driven circles. However, you should know that just this past Sunday Robert Morris held court at the megachurch of prophet-leader Steven Furtick,1 a two-time Elephant Room vet. His mentor Perry Noble filled in at Morris’ Gateway Church "
Thx!

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News Item10/3/15 10:02 AM
NeedHim  Find all comments by NeedHim
A great example of why pastor Morris is worthy to be exposed as a soft pedaler of God's Word,you shall know them by their fruits & doctrinal stances one takes amen.

http://apprising.org/2012/11/23/word-faith-pastor-robert-morris-calls-mormon-glenn-beck-a-believer/

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News Item10/3/15 9:50 AM
NeedHim  Find all comments by NeedHim
People like TD Jakes have a different gospel,you deny the Trinity & embrace Oneness teaching of the Godhead,that isn't a good thing at all ever.Mr Jakes has no problems in promoting women pastors,allowing them to take his puplit & preach,like Paula White.As we will know them by their fruits & their theology is out of wack that places one outsided of Biblical Orthodoxy.

Not everyone writing stuff are trying to be mean spirited they love truth & the importance of it,as if one is wrong with certain doctrine stances they take.It's heaven & hell issues of being wrong.So sharing truth in love is important for one if they love Christ & His Word & His people amen.

Mat7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Eph5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them,
12 for it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret.
13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light, for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

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