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FRONT PAGE  |  9/24/2021
WEDNESDAY, DEC 21, 2011  |  18 comments  |  1 commentary
Turin Shroud is Christ's authentic burial robe?

Italian scientists have conducted a series of advanced experiments which, they claim, show that the marks on the shroud – purportedly left by the imprint of Christ's body – could not possibly have been faked with technology that was available in the medieval period.

The research will be an early Christmas present for shroud believers, but is likely to be greeted with scepticism by those who doubt that the sepia-coloured, 14ft-long cloth dates from Christ's crucifixion 2,000 years ago.

Sceptics have long claimed that the shroud is a medieval forgery, and radiocarbon testing conducted by laboratories in Oxford, Zurich and Arizona in 1988 appeared to back up the theory, suggesting that it dated from between 1260 and 1390. ...


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News Item12/27/11 1:10 AM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
WE KNOW FOR A FACT THE SATANIC+VATICAN DOESN'T HAVE THE ORIGINAL "AUTOGRAPHS"--BUT WE TRUE SAINTS OF GOD & CHRIST ARE THE LIVING "ORIGINAL AUTOGRAPHS" !:

"YE (TRUE SAINTS) ARE OUR EPISTLE(S) WRITTEN IN OUR HEARTS, KNOWN AND READ OF ALL MEN." 2 COR. 3:2 !

TEXTUS-RECEPTUS HOLY WRIT IS RECORD ENOUGH PROVING THE "SHROUD OF TURIN" IS A SATANIC FORGERY OF CHRIST'S "LINEN GRAVECLOTHES" & "NAPKIN" !

THE AUTHORIZED ENGLISH KING JAMES BIBLE:

"AND THE NAPKIN, THAT WAS ABOUT HIS (CHRIST'S) HEAD, NOT LYING WITH THE LINEN CLOTHES (PLURAL), BUT RAPPED TOGETHER IN A PLACE BY ITSELF." JOHN 20:7

THE "LINEN CLOTHES" WERE PLURAL--NOT SINGULAR; AS, THE BOGUS, FAKE & PHONEY "SHROUD OF TURIN" IS A SINGLE CLOTH !

FURTHERMORE, THE DEATH, BURIAL & RESURRECTION OF LAZARUS; ONE OF THE BEST FRIENDS OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST: ALSO CONFIRMS THAT THE "LINEN CLOTHES" OR "GRAVECLOTHES" WERE PLURAL--NOT SINGULAR; AS, THE BOGUS, FAKE & PHONEY "SHROUD OF TURIN" IS A SINGLE CLOTH:

"AND HE (LAZARUS) THAT WAS DEAD CAME FORTH, BOUND HAND AND FOOT WITH THE GRAVECLOTHES: AND HIS (LAZARUS') FACE WAS BOUND ABOUT WITH A NAPKIN. JESUS SAITH UNTO THEM, LOOSE HIM, AND LET HIM GO." JOHN 11:44 !

THE TEXTUS-RECEPTUS HOLY KING JAMES BIBLE EXPOSES SATANIC+VATICAN LIES, "SHROUD OF TURIN" FORGERIES & NASB-PerVe

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News Item12/23/11 2:38 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Obviously they don't not-my-pope, when one looks at the acceptance of the [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.com/ankerberg-articles/apocrypha.html]]]The Apocrypha[/URL], which is known to be false by the people who should know, the Jews, the only thing you can say for certain is that the Romish Church has its [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/_PDFArchives/roman-catholicism/RC1W0799.pdf]]]Roman Catholic Tradition[/URL] which is apostate, q.v. [URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/_PDFArchives/roman-catholicism/RC2W0700.pdf]]]The Church of Rome Steps Into Apostasy[/URL].

I would suggest that you look over [URL=http://www.biblebb.com/files/howbible.htm]]]How We Got Our Bible[/URL], and read [URL=http://www.dbts.edu/journals/2000/Combs.pdf]]]The Preservation of Scripture[/URL].

Ah, by the way, listen to Gil Rugh's sermon listed above, also.

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News Item12/23/11 1:02 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
WE KNOW FOR A FACT THE SATANIC+VATICAN DOESN'T HAVE THE ORIGINAL "AUTOGRAPHS"--AS THEY WOULD'VE ALREADY SHOWN THEM TO THE WORLD AS "PROOF" THEY'RE GOD'S TRUE CHURCH !

HOLY WRIT IS RECORD ENOUGH PROVING THE "SHROUD OF TURIN" IS A SATANIC FORGERY OF CHRIST'S "LINEN GRAVECLOTHES (PLURAL)" & " 'GRAVECLOTH' NAPKIN" !

**THE AUTHORIZED ENGLISH KING JAMES BIBLE:

"AND THE NAPKIN, THAT WAS ABOUT HIS (CHRIST'S) HEAD, NOT LYING WITH THE LINEN CLOTHES (PLURAL), BUT RAPPED TOGETHER IN A PLACE BY ITSELF." JOHN 20:7

IT'S QUITE EVIDENTLY CLEAR, ACCORDING TO THE HISTORIC AUTHORIZED ENGLISH KING JAMES HOLY BIBLE, THAT THE "LINEN CLOTHES" WERE PLURAL--NOT SINGULAR; AS, THE BOGUS, FAKE & PHONEY "SHROUD OF TURIN" IS A SINGLE CLOTH !

FURTHERMORE, THE DEATH, BURIAL & RESURRECTION OF LAZARUS; ONE OF THE BEST FRIENDS OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST: ALSO CONFIRMS THAT THE "LINEN CLOTHES" OR "GRAVECLOTHES" WERE PLURAL--NOT SINGULAR; AS, THE BOGUS, FAKE & PHONEY "SHROUD OF TURIN" IS A SINGLE CLOTH:

"AND HE (LAZARUS) THAT WAS DEAD CAME FORTH, BOUND HAND AND FOOT WITH THE GRAVECLOTHES: AND HIS (LAZARUS') FACE WAS BOUND ABOUT WITH A NAPKIN. JESUS SAITH UNTO THEM, LOOSE HIM, AND LET HIM GO." JOHN 11:44 !

**THE KJB EXPOSES THE FAKE & PHONEY "SHROUD OF TURIN" AS AN EVIL SPURIOUS SATANIC FORGERY !

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News Item12/22/11 9:09 PM
Not your pope  Find all comments by Not your pope
Protestants do not have the Autographs. Only the RCC would have them.

The wonder is what happened to the Signed Originals?

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News Item12/22/11 4:38 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Not your pope wrote:
And if Protestants scraped together all their hard-earned money would that be enough for the RCC to part with the NT Originals?
Ha! We already have the autographs by way of accurate copies, and these accurately translated by valiant men (who were hounded by the Catholic hierarchy) into our native tongue so that even the peasants could read and understand God's word, and thus be found calling DIRECTLY on Christ for their salvation instead of having to go through a false priesthood and a multitude of rituals, even for life. And thus they were found saved and in their right minds, having believed in Christ simply and effectively, being forgiven all their sins with no possibility of excommunication by men, but justified by Christ forever.

And the Authorized (King James) Version is still being used of God to bring sinners to the foot of The Cross, where they find their burden of sin and guilt separated from them, and their rags replaced by the royal robes of Christ's righteousness, imputed to them by simple faith in him who died for them and rose again.

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News Item12/22/11 4:31 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Not your pope wrote:
The Roman Catholic Church keeps its attic so full of goodies it's a wonder they don't have the Autographa.
However if the RCC had the Autographa, how could you identify it?
And if Protestants scraped together all their hard-earned money would that be enough for the RCC to part with the NT Originals?
Not to worry. The Lord wouldn't allow the RCC to be forever keeper of the originals in the first place, so the question of parting with them is moot.

What did you conclude about the Shroud? Which position do you find most credible, Scriptural description or the longing for verification?

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News Item12/22/11 3:55 PM
Not your pope  Find all comments by Not your pope
The Roman Catholic Church keeps its attic so full of goodies it's a wonder they don't have the Autographa.

However if the RCC had the Autographa, how could you identify it?

And if Protestants scraped together all their hard-earned money would that be enough for the RCC to part with the NT Originals?

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News Item12/22/11 3:10 PM
FYI  Find all comments by FYI
"Jewish Customs of Burial Speaks Against It:"

"The one burial cloth

There is a conflict with the idea of only one burial cloth when it is clear that in the Jewish burial customs and in the New Testament record there were several pieces of cloth used in Christ’s burial, not one 14 feet by 4 feet piece of material such as the Shroud.

The separate cloth for the head

As was the custom of the day, John 20:5-7 shows that a separate piece of cloth was wrapped about the head of Christ. It was found by itself apart from the linen wrappings that were around the body of Christ. However, the Shroud of Turin is all one piece and depicts a face as well as the rest of the body on the cloth.

The material and method of wrapping the body

Combining the accounts of the historical record of the New Testament teaches us that several pieces of cloth were used to wrap the body of Christ and they were in the form of “strips,” and “wrappings,” or “linen bandages” such as were used in the preparation of mummies."
Joh 19:38-40

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News Item12/22/11 3:01 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Mike N.Y., good point again, Jews didn't use shrouds, and Jesus certainly didn't have one!

John 11
43 And when He had said these things, He cried out with a loud voice, "Lazarus, come forth."
44 He who had died came forth, bound hand and foot with wrappings; and his face was wrapped around with a cloth. Jesus said^ to them, "Unbind him, and let him go."
John 20
4 And the two were running together; and the other disciple ran ahead faster than Peter, and came to the tomb first;
5 and stooping and looking in, he saw^ the linen wrappings lying there; but he did not go in.
6 Simon Peter therefore also came^, following him, and entered the tomb; and he beheld^ the linen wrappings lying there,
7 and the face-cloth, which had been on His head, not lying with the linen wrappings, but rolled up in a place by itself.
8 So the other disciple who had first come to the tomb entered then also, and he saw and believed.---[URL=http://www.lockman.org/nasb/nasbcmp.php]]]NASB[/URL]

Good show SA, among the other excellent sermons, you listed one of Gil Rugh's!

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News Item12/22/11 2:51 PM
Berlion  Find all comments by Berlion
Not your pope wrote:
Likewise, how does one prove the SoT a fake?
Those who want this piece of cloth to be a shroud also want to worship relics, icons, statuettes and other bits of worthless worldly trivia.

This cloth is a con trick a mockery which a gullible denomination believes to be a shroud.

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News Item12/22/11 2:25 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Not your pope wrote:
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Likewise, how does one prove the SoT a fake?
Those who want it to be authentic need be the ones proving its authenticity. Those who see Scripture's description, already know it's a fake. See Michaela's post 12:53 PM, and John 20:7. You need ask yourself why you prefer traditional speculation to the written word of God.
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News Item12/22/11 2:06 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
Michaela wrote:
ITS FAKE, THEY NEED TO READ THE BIBLE IF THEY HAVE ONE...JOHN 20:7 AND THE NAPKIN, THAT WAS ABOUT HIS HEAD, NOT LYING WITH THE LINEN CLOTHES, BUT WRAPPED TOGETHER IN A PLACE BY ITSELF [EMPHASIS MINE (STREET-PREACHER)].
Very, Very Perceptive, "michaela" & Quite HOLY-SPIRITUALLY Discerning !

IF ONE WILL NOTICE WHAT THE ETERNAL WORD OF GOD SAYS:

"AND THE NAPKIN, THAT WAS ABOUT HIS (CHRIST'S) HEAD, NOT LYING WITH THE LINEN CLOTHES, BUT RAPPED TOGETHER IN A PLACE BY ITSELF."--JOHN 20:7

IT'S QUITE EVIDENTIALLY CLEAR, ACCORDING TO THE HISTORIC AUTHORIZED ENGLISH KING JAMES HOLY BIBLE, THAT THE "LINEN CLOTHES" WERE PLURAL--NOT SINGULAR; AS, THE BOGUS, FAKE & PHONEY "SHROUD OF TURIN" IS A SINGULAR CLOTH !

FURTHERMORE, THE DEATH, BURIAL & RESURRECTION OF LAZARUS; ONE OF THE BEST FRIENDS OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST: ALSO CONFIRMS THAT THE "LINEN CLOTHES" &-OR "GRAVECLOTHES" WAS PLURAL--NOT SINGULAR; AS, THE BOGUS, FAKE & PHONEY "SHROUD OF TURIN" IS A SINGULAR CLOTH:

"AND HE (LAZARUS) THAT WAS DEAD CAME FORTH, BOUND HAND AND FOOT WITH THE GRAVECLOTHES: AND HIS (LAZARUS') FACE WAS BOUND ABOUT WITH A NAPKIN. JESUS SAITH UNTO THEM, LOOSE HIM, AND LET HIM GO."--JOHN 11:44 !

**THE KJB EXPOSES THE BOGUS, FAKE & PHONEY "SHROUD OF TURIN" !

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News Item12/22/11 1:58 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Not your pope wrote:
If you discovered a Gutenberg Bible (a maximum of only 550 years old) at an auction, how would you validate its age and authenticity? Or would you presume it a forgery from the outset and not consider purchasing it?
Likewise, how does one prove the SoT a fake?
Better to have the wearer than the garment.

And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1 John 5:11-12 KJV

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News Item12/22/11 1:37 PM
Not your pope  Find all comments by Not your pope
If you discovered a Gutenberg Bible (a maximum of only 550 years old) at an auction, how would you validate its age and authenticity? Or would you presume it a forgery from the outset and not consider purchasing it?

Likewise, how does one prove the SoT a fake?

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News Item12/22/11 12:53 PM
Michaela | Australia  Contact via emailFind all comments by Michaela
Its fake,They need to read the bible if they have one...John 20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
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News Item12/21/11 2:48 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Charles Spurgeon wrote:
. . . I must now bring before you the third point. There are some PROPHETIC UTTERANCES contained in these words. The angels sang "Glory to God in the highest, on earth peace, good will toward men." But I look around, and what see I in the wide, wide world? I do not see God honored. I see the heathen bowing down before their idols; I mark the Romanist casting himself before the rotten rags of his relics, and the ugly figures of his images. . . .
from, [URL=http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0168.htm]]]The First Christmas Carol -- C.H. Spurgeon[/URL] the whole sermon is good, but then what would one expect from the "Prince of Preachers"
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News Item12/21/11 10:42 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
The stuff of men's religion. Those who think it has meaning miss the whole point and purpose of the death and resurrection of Christ, and instead dwell on peripherals of no consequence whatsoever. The ones who push for shroud importance, are the same ones who won't take Christ off their crosses. They are possessed by the things of death.
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News Item12/21/11 10:11 AM
Elise | Scotland  Find all comments by Elise
No it is not! Wasn't ,isn't and will not be no mather how hard they try.
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