John UK wrote:
You are deducing from the fact that Jesus reversed one or two commands, that God had "changed his mind".
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John UK wrote:
Man, you're all over the place.

John UK wrote:
Have you no comment to make on any of the quotes I posted for your benefit and edification?

why on earth would i choose to respond to your cut and paste when you NEVER answer simple propositions yourself and mock the word when you dont understand it

For my edification ? - coming from somewone who thinks that Jesus changed His mind and REVERSED His teaching - you yourself are no true teacher yet you pretend to be

What is most offensive about your posts leaving aside the previously mentioned offences which I itemised befrore is your position on these poor folk that were slaughtered

Wrighter wrote:
BTW I notice you "ditch" the OT in one of your posts below. Why do you do that when it is God's Word?

to whit he is unable to deal with the question as to why Jesus instructed his disciples to sell their cloaks if neccessary to purchase swords if not to defend themselves with

John also believes that Jesus reversed his instructions to them which is a lie from satan himself and also has denigrated OT teachings

I have also seen him claim to believe in election yet deny the means

It would not suprise me in the least John to find that you are anevolutionist and do not accept moses, for instance six day creation, i asked you this before and did not get an answer

This display of impudence and hard heartedness and the infantile instincts of the natural man are on display here for ALL TO SEE

Godly men and women are required to defend themselves should God in His providence place them in that situation to whit the great king and warrior David.

John UK wrote:
Hello bro. Considering the length of the article, don't you find it amazing that he can find no actual examples in the New Testament? The Old Testament is hardly the place to look for New Testament principles.

what on earth do you think that Jesus instructed the disciples to carry a sword in PREFERENCE to a cloak FOR ?

To spread their sandwiches ?

How can you ignore the obvious ?

John UK wrote:
he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Luke 22:35-36 KJV.........................................................................

And where oh where is your proof text that Jesus wants us to arm ourselves against religious persecutors? Come on man, out with it, where is the example in the New Testament?

Take the beam out of your own eye johnuk false teacher

NOTE: THREAD CLOSED, cos cissy boy went whining to the moderator the same as the last time he LOST the discusion and couldnt get away his heresy

I exposed your heresy johnuk so dont 'brother' me with your heretical views
Jesus did NOT reverse His teachings and you wouldnt say that if you spent more time like i do listening to sermons on SA instead of posting foolishness that mislead the saints you would never make that mistake

John UK wrote:
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Galatians 6:7 KJV
Think....

More seriously, you actually suggested, if not claimed outright that scripture contradicts itself

THAT is a lie from the devil

All false teachers are the same

95 % truth and 5 % POISON, the 5 % is enough to destroy

John UK wrote:
And do you know any example in the whole of the New Testament where Jesus disciples defended themselves with weaponry against persecutors? Charles can't find one, but maybe you know one or two eh?

You also deceitfully claim that you did not say that jesus chenges his mind when you certainly did claim that 'the bible reverses itself'

the example provided which in your view demonstrates this, actually demonstrates your ignorance of a key biblical doctrine - first to the jews then to the gentiles

instead of admitting it you resort to form

The depth of your conceitr is furthur revealed when you advise the likes of william to read his NT 'and understand it this time ' !!! ridiculous it is YOU who are blin

Forum contributors TAKE NOTE of these exchanges lest you doubt my warnings be NOT DECEIVED by johns teaching

John UK wrote:
Ahem, hmmmm. Charles my little fruitcake
#1 Please note that I never asserted that Jesus "changed his mind", as if he was some sort of unstable Welshman. If you imagined that I was implying that, please be assured that I wasn't.

you offered these verses as proof that jesus reversed his commands

''You reckon there are "no" one-offs in the gospel accounts, Charles?
Commands that Jesus actually REVERSED shortly? ''

YOU wrote that john

clearly you INTENDED to suggest that Jesus changed his mind and that some instructions were REVERSED

I have demonstrated to you from scripture that far from being a reversal this was the plan - first to the jews then the gentiles

Your pride will not allow you to admit your error so you dishonestly muddy the waters and adopt a transparently impolite and patronising tone

strong evidence of the impulses of the natural man

MIKE :''PS do you really think John/UK is a false teacher? ''

MIKE You decide based on this exchange I say do not accept john teaching he is not in the truth. You have it all here, a basic error, a refusal to be taught and a calculated dishonest and patronising response.

John UK wrote:
Later on Jesus reversed that..
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mark 16:15 KJV
I'll not be overbearing with you, but I'm sure you'll find others for yourself brother.

rom 1v16

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek

salvation is to the Jew first and then the gentile thats a basic teaching and
fundemental doctrine

your assertion that Jesus changed his mind means you dont know this

The verses you use show that the disciples went to the Jews first and then the gentiles which is in accord with scripture, it only seems like a 'reversal' to you because you dont know what scripture teaches on this matter !

are you going to dig your heels in or admit you were wrong ?

Neil wrote:
I think preachers unconsciously adopt this stuff from pop church culture w/o bothering to question or refine it. Thus churchgoers are vulnerable to intellectual confusion & are wide open to heresies.

'you have to ask Jesus into your heart'

you can really chew on this one, i start of by asking them where it says that in the bible, they are always arminists that say this so it then leads on to my favorite ground - election and sovreignty,

another good 'pop' cliche is

'God does not go where he isnt wanted'

ha ha ! - we are entering a doctrine free zone here - the average calvinist will emerge as a seeming theological giant.
TAKE NO PRISONERS !

Im still enjoying Gil Rugh jim, especially his series on romans, but is it the real gil rugh ? I am concerned - WHY OH WHY does he sound like clint eastwood ??????????

John UK wrote:
You reckon there are "no" one-offs in the gospel accounts, Charles?
Commands that Jesus actually REVERSED shortly?
I'll give you till tonight to come clean and repent of heterodoxy.

I shall be taking the leading role in my film but I would rather the material itself took centre stage so modesty forbids that I grace the frame with my middle aged but nonetheless youthfully handsome well preserved visage ! We dont want the ladies being distracted now do we !

Mike wrote:
Disagreement doesn't necessarily make one a false teacher, else you might be called the same. The tongue (or the keyboard version of it) truly is a fire, isn't it?

John, Jesus is God, there are no 'one offs' as you call it, nor does scripture contradict itself.

Dr Doolittle wrote:
Prince Charles
Did you see this?
[URL=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8550869.stm]]]Amazingly laughable evidence[/URL]
The asteroid that fell 65 million years ago and in one year destroyed the dinosaurs. How amazingly specific, eh! Worth keeping and using.
If we speak about the flood and the evidence for such and turn to our Bibles for the record...some mock. Yet their own 'evidence' comes always from Scientists and text books ...the above link is just so laughable in its' exactness that it will be a fine tool in witness
[URL=http://z.about.com/d/classicfilm/1/0/f/0/-/-/DrDoolittle.jpg]]]He only talks to the animals[/URL]
I would put more trust in the above 'learned' Doctor than any evolutionary Scientist

well done witnessing to the mormons - where you in town or something ?

John UK wrote:
I would suggest that you read the New Testament again, William. And this time, try believing what you read.

Luke 22
35And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

36Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

37For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

38And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Follow your own advice John and you can take the beam out of your own eye while you are at it

Every man without exception has a duty to defend himself when neccesary with all means to hand
No christian should allow himself to be slaughtered and certainly no other christian should advise him to do so.

Kingdom Citizen wrote:
5. Giving homage and allegiance to man, and thus being required to obey man's grievous commandments.
just a few off the top of my head.

Israel killed the passover lamb and spread the blood over the door lintels

The jews killed Jesus 1thess2 v 14

so our sovreign God ordained this they killed the lamb without blemish as they killed the passover lamb

we know the consequences of this act to the jewish nation, the judgement they came under for doing this

it makes your head spin, exactly what is happening here ? The jews are Gods special people the apple of His eye, is this why they were chosen for this task ? Its very deep when you think about it.

They were told to kill the passover lamb to save their own lives

They were not told to kill Jesus and they sufferd the sword for it

Kingdom Citizen wrote:
And a great disadvantage is access to false teachers like Gil.