John Yurich USA wrote:
No I am not wealthy. But I will be when I start my own Country Music/Country Gospel Band and get a recording contract and start making the big bucks.

John UK wrote:
Ah well, if you got it wrong, you got it wrong, and I am not going to hound you forever

Try real Christians like the Puritans. For example Matthew Poole's commentary.

Unprofitable Servant wrote:
no need to ask God to do something He already plans to do

WCF.3/1 God from all eternity did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass;[a] yet so as thereby neither is God the author of sin,[b] nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures, nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established.[c]
a. Rom 9:15, 18; 11:33; Eph 1:11; Heb 6:17. • b. James 1:13, 17; 1 John 1:5. • c. Prov 16:33; Mat 17:12; John 19:11; Acts 2:23; 4:27-28.

WCF 5/2 Although in relation to the foreknowledge and decree of God, the first cause, all things come to pass immutably and infallibly,[a] yet by the same providence he ordereth them to fall out, according to the nature of second causes, either necessarily, freely, or contingently.[b]
a. Acts 2:23. • b. Gen 8:22; Exod 21:13 with Deut 19:5; 1 Kings 22:28, 34; Isa 10:6-7; Jer 31:35.

John UK wrote:
What does God say?

Now why don't you confess and repent of your sin against God.

God wrote the Scriptures.

There is NO "nonsense" in God's Word the Bible.

Unprofitable Servant wrote:
God does not make empty promises.

type of fatalism.

Unprofitiable Servant wrote:
God foresaw that when you heard the gospel you would believe and thus elected you to salvation. Now, which camp does that fall into?

God does not "foresee" that you will hear and believe - and thus respond.

God knows His Elect from the foundation of the world. Eph 1:4. And chose us IN Christ way back then, according to HIS will. V5

Therefore whether the 'elect' can hear, believe, knit or ride a bicycle is entirely irrelevant to God's will and purpose for His children. Including the length of life HE provided to them.

You really must stop flogging this self assisted salvation to the troops here.

God has providentially given man a life sufficient to 'HIS' will and purpose and thus being omniscient and foreknowing HE is fully aware of the length of said life. Thus is God sovereign in all aspects of creation! And you and John really must eject this idea that chance and fate affect life and death, and that God loses control at that point.

John UK wrote:
God's Sovereignty on a level par with Man's Responsibility

Now John and Unp Servant sinners responsibility doesn't mean that the mortal can subdue and overwhelm the Lord on various decisions about life. UPS below seems to assume that, - quote " but all suggest that you can hasten or extend that appointment." (Yr 1103am) - the proverbial Arminian power over God can work in terms of length of life on earth - Perhaps because you've been an extra good boy today!!

CHS said in sermon...
On Job 30:23
"Job, even in his anguish, does not for a moment forget his God. He speaks of him here: “I know that thou wilt bring me to death.” He perceives that he will not die apart from God. He does not say his sore boils or his strangulation will bring him to death; but “THOU wilt bring me to death.” He does not trace his approaching death to chance, or to fate, or to second causes; no, he sees only the hand of the Lord. To him belong both life and death. Say not that the wasting consumption took away your darling; complain not that a fierce fever slew your father; but feel that the Lord himself hath done it. “It is the Lord, let him do what seemeth him good.” Blame not the accident, neither complain of the pestilence; for Jehovah himself gathereth home his own. He only will remove you and me. “ I know that thou wilt bring me to death.” There is to my heart much delicious comfort in the language before as. I love that old-fashioned verse--

“Plagues and deaths around me fly
Till he bids I cannot die;
Not a single shaft can hit
Till the God of Love thinks fit.” (C.H.Spurgeon)

John UK wrote:
Ah but now it is you who are speaking nonsensical words. Did you think it was God who spoke those words of Job? Nay lad, it was Job.

Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

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Job is quoted in NT :-

Job 5:13 = 1 Co 3:19

Job 16:19 = Mark 11:10

Job 41:3 = Rom 11:35

John UK wrote:
Could or should Job have presented better words? Or was the sovereign God enforcing every thing in Job's life, so that he had no choice but to utter some nonsensical statements and wish for death because he was fed up with his miserable life?

"Job 30:23 For I know that thou wilt bring me to death, and to the house appointed for all living"

John UK wrote:
Yeeeeee ha! According to Chris Frost and Rennie, God allocates a definite time and place for every man

Nathan wrote:
What I find most disconcerting regarding the Letter to church of Laodicea is the fact that Jesus stands OUTSIDE knocking. Jesus is not in the midst of the church. They're inside having a whale of a time and Jesus is outside banging on an old fashion lump of tree for a door trying to get their attention.
Sounds like the church today with all its entertainment and psychology. All the worlds riches yet no Christ.

To the angel of the church at Sardis:

"Thou hast a name that thou livest and art dead...hold fast and repent...he that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name from the book of life..."

Alan H wrote:
Only God can rightly define sin, as it is His prerogative alone to determine, command, punish & pardon; according to His will, justice & mercy...

What is sinful?
"...—whatsoever [is] not of faith is sin—." Ro 14:23
"—All unrighteousness is sin—... " 1Jo 5:17
"Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him —it is sin—." Jas 4:17