James Thomas wrote:
J4J,
First off I want to thank you for your patience. Secondly I appreciate you taking time to read through the context and the convo.
Unfortunately, I'm out of time to discuss anymore this evening but hopefully I will be able to further comment tomorrow.
If we can agree on Isaiah 11 and work through your question, that will be where the rubber prayerfully hits the road on all this.
Have a great night.

James Thomas wrote:
Great! We agree.
Now, since we are in agreement on what the context and timeline of which Deut. 30:6 is spoken, permit me to share with you where that same exact prophecy of the Lord recovering the remnant a second time is spoken of elsewhere.
Isa 11:11
the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
Are we still in agreement?

James Thomas wrote:
Patience young grasshopper.
You are correct....it was the promised land God had cast them out of.
So would agree then that what we are reading about is when the Lord shall set his hand a second time to recover the remnant of his people as the first(Egyptian captivity) is spoken as a past event?

"To those who are God's chosen ones the Holy Spirit is sent not only to enlighten them to understand the Gospel set forth in Scriptures but to enable them to accept God's promise of forgiveness.”

God’s chosen ones already believe, so it would be a total waste of time to send the Holy Spirit to make them believe. A person without faith doesn’t even belong to God.

James Thomas wrote:
Okay J4....if you say its before entering the promise land, then what land did God cast them out of after the
Egyptian captivity?
Deut 29:25 Then men shall say, Because they have forsaken the covenant of the LORD God of their fathers, which he made with them when he brought them forth out of the land of Egypt:
26For they went and served other gods, and worshipped them, gods whom they knew not, and whom he had not given unto them:
27And the anger of the LORD was kindled against this land, to bring upon it all the curses that are written in this book:
28And the LORD **rooted them out of their land**in anger, and in wrath, and in great indignation, and cast them into another land, as it is this day.

James Thomas wrote:
Okay, lets take your suggestion you made earlier and consider the context....but lets expand that to involve more help on understanding the picture.
Deut. 29 is the beginning of the narrative which involves Deut 30:1-3....and we see that narrative speaks of the Egyptian captivity which God took them out of right?
So would you agree that as being a past event in the narrative?
I'm going somewhere with this so bare with me if your up for it. If not that's fine too.

James Thomas wrote:
Matt. 13
Rom 2:29
2 Cor 3

Will you show me where that is in this narrative, which if I'm not mistaken, is during the same timeline as what is spoken in the context of Deut. 30:6?

Ezekiel 36
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you:

“And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath driven thee, And shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul; That then the Lord thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath scattered thee.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:1-3‬

So God says if they turn and obey, He will then do such and such. They must obey first. This isn’t about salvation though, it is about returning to the land.

danfromtenn wrote:
Apparently no amount of biblical persuasion is going to have any effect on J4J.

James Thomas wrote:
Just so I'm understanding you correctly, from your point of view, the words spoken in Deut. 30:6 has not occurred yet, but when it does it will only apply to Jews?

That’s all that the name calling amounts too. People know I’m right and can’t stand it!

Call on the name of the Lord and you will be saved! That’s what receiving salvation has always consisted of. If anyone wants they may believe on Him. That’s why it is called the good news of the gospel.

James Thomas wrote:
"They can do"?

Deut 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

The Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart.

“And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the Lord thy God hath driven thee, And shalt return unto the Lord thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30:1-2‬

It is only after the Jews return unto the Lord their God and obeys what He commanded them with all their heart and soul, does God then empower them to carry it through!

“...Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭16:30-31‬

“I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.”
‭‭John‬ ‭16:28-29‬

“Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you. A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another. Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.”
‭‭John‬ ‭13:33-36‬

Adriel wrote:
John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you."
Oh Look!!
The Lord dares to contradict JohnFor?

Sinners cannot save themselves. However, there is something they can do to become saved. Repent and believe!

“...Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭16:30-31‬

They have even been known to exclaim your unappreciation towards God for saying, “I believed and was saved”. Then when you point out that it is a phrase used in the Bible, they act like it was okay all along.

“What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:62‬

Where does Jesus go? Heaven.

“Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.”
‭‭John‬ ‭13:36‬

“And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:3‬