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11/17/11 2:44 PM |
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"Singing of Psalms honours God with our glory, ie our tongue, Ps 108:1, Ps 57:7,8. To the objection that âthese gracious effects and fruits of singing Psalms do plead as much for singing and playing with instruments as for singing with voyces,â Cotton gives several answers, the third of which is of particular interest as providing a main ground for the Puritansâ rejection of instrumental music in worship: âSinging with Instruments, was typical!, and so a ceremoniall worship, and therefore is ceased. But singing with heart and voyce is morall worship, such as is written inthe hearts of all men by nature: As to pray in distress, so when we are merry, and have cause of solemn thanksgiving unto God, then to sing Psalms, which the Holy Ghost by the Apostle James approveth and sanctifieth, James 5:13 Or suppose singing with instruments were not typicall, but only an external solemnitie of worship, fitten to the solace of the outward senses of children under age, (such as the Israelites were under the Old Testament Gal 4:1-3). Yet now in the growne age of the heires of the New Testament, such externall pompous solemnities are ceased, and so external! worship reserved, but such as holdeth forth simplicitie, and gravitie; nor is any voyce now to be heard in the Church" (apuritansmind.com) |
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3/30/11 11:22 AM |
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"Simply the Regulative Principle States this: True worship is only commanded by God; false worship is anything not commanded." (puritanmind)"Charnock [Works, Vol.1, p.298] says that âworship is an act of the understanding, applying itself to the knowledge of the excellency of God, and actual thoughts of His majesty.... It is also an act of the will, whereby the soul adores and reverenceth His majesty, is ravished with His amiableness, embraceth His goodness, enters itself into an intimate communion with this most lovely object, and pitcheth all his affections on Himâ. Acceptable worship must be Spiritual worship, âauthorised by the Holy Spirit, constrained by the Holy Spirit, offered in the Holy Spiritâ [J. Murray, Collected Writings, Vol. 1, âWorshipâ, p. 167]. James Begg [in The use of Organs] claims that âthe worship of God is the most sacred thing with which His creatures have to do. It is more sacred than the government of the Church, more sacred even than Christian doctrine, for these are, in a sense, merely instrumental in bringing us into proper relations to God; and if it is true in anything whatsoever that Godâs will must be the only rule, it is especially true of His own worshipâ." (Rev H.M.Cartwright) "Emotional" worship = NO! "Spiritual" worship = Yes! |
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3/13/11 4:38 PM |
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John UK wrote: C) And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac,.... Genesis 22:2 KJV (which breaks the law, thou shalt not kill.)B) who mentioned lyrics and music? A) I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. 1 Corinthians 14:12-15 KJV Notice that Paul endorses praying and singing "with/in the spirit" meaning that language which is given by God and not necessarily understood by the pray-er/singer. Your confused John.A) Praise is for God not just mortals. Also your suggestion implies that the Bible is written in a language which congregations cannot understand or comprehend. That is not so! And as John 16:13 states the Holy Spirit's task is to guide His people into all truth. Don't cut the Spirit out of God's work, it is HE who will teach the Word. B) "Lyrics/music" You are the one who appears to have diverted this debate to new dimensions. C) NO! God does NOT TEACH THE BREAKING OF HIS LAW with this verse. He demonstrated Abraham's faith in God and his obedience as a truly faithful believer. (Exegesis) PS: This has nothing to do with the fact that God has recorded His Praise method in the Bible under the Book of Psalms. PSALMS PRAISE GOD, as HE has ordained and written. |
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3/13/11 2:57 PM |
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John UK wrote: A) Suppose that God in his word commanded his people, or some of his people, to sing in a language they did not understand, and which required an interpreter to make it edifying for the others? I can assure you that they were NOT singing psalms when they were doing this.B) Jesus taught his people not to prepare their speeches when brought before rulers, for their Father would give them the words at just the right time, this becoming known as extempore C) the Lord has sometimes commanded his people to break even his own law found in scripture. Sola scriptura - not always! A) Why in the name of heaven would anyone suppose this?B) "Extempore lyrics and music"???? C) Where in Scripture do you find the command of God to quote, "break His laws" |
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3/12/11 4:09 PM |
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Neil wrote: 1) I'm not talking about the invisible church2) Evasion; you were claiming that Common Sense is a "normal function." I want proof, which .. 3) ..does not do. I know that sin exists, thank you. One would think that Common Sense could authenticate itself. 1) You asked for the REAL Church. The invisible Church is the only REAL Church.2) It has been an accepted normal function in conversation between humans for centuries... "Origin: 1525â35; translation of Latin sēnsus commūnis, itself translation of Greek koinḕ aĂsthēsis" (Dictionary) Word Origin & History common sense "14c., originally the power of uniting mentally the impressions conveyed by the five physical senses, thus "ordinary understanding, without which one is foolish or insane" (L. sensus communis , Gk. koine aisthesis ); meaning "good sense" is from 1726. Also, as an adj., commonsense" "(1776) A pamphlet written by Thomas Paine that called for the United States to declare independence from Britain immediately. Written in a brisk and pungent style, Common Sense had a tremendous impact and helped to persuade many Americans that they could successfully wage a war for their independence." |
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3/12/11 2:45 PM |
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Neil wrote: 1) Give a historical example of a REAL church (as you call it)2) all sorts of people, made in God's image, have believed manifestly false things, starting w/ Adam & Eve. 3) If you concede that humans can ever err via their senses... ...then Common Sense cannot be trusted, or else does not exist. 1) The Elect!2) Yes. Sin exists. 3) Yes. Sin exists - and so does common sense. |
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3/9/11 4:27 PM |
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Neil wrote: 1) As I said before, churches erred very badly during the Apostles' lifetimes (as for example with circumcision & Communion), so their being even closer in time didn't help 2) Second, "common sense" is a casual form of the Bandwagon Fallacy 3) rationalize the rap style in worship 1) Yes but I was referring to the REAL church Neil not the false witness. The reason why the REAL church is still here today is that God guided them through history to witness, worship and praise. Try not to omit God from church history!2) Common sense is a normal function of human beings who were made in God's image. I have often noticed how great "worldly" minds do not possess it. Dic. "Common sense :: ânoun sound practical judgment that is independent of specialized knowledge, training, or the like; normal native intelligence. Origin: 1525â35; translation of Latin sēnsus commūnis, itself translation of Greek koinḕ aĂsthēsis" 3) Praise comes by the melody of the heart. Eph 5:19. Rap originally from Africa was used to tell stories to a musical background. It arrived in America during the 60's. As a theatrical modern music form it does not bring piety with it, and God did not use it in history! |
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3/8/11 5:04 PM |
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"These instances are the only scriptural hope for those who seek a scriptural warrant for musical instruments from the Old Testament. Can one find a non-ceremonial, non-Levitical use of musical instruments in these instances? No. There are a number of reasons why the use of musical instruments in these instances must be considered ceremonial. First, note that in each instance only the Levites were permitted to play the instruments (1 Chron. 15:16-24; 2 Chron. 5:12-13; Ezra 3:10; Neh. 12:35-36). Second, the priests and Levites only played instruments that were authorized by God: the silver trumpets of Moses and the instruments of David (1 Chron. 15:16, 28; 2 Chron. 5:12; 20:28; Ezra 3:10; Neh. 12:27, 36). Third, each instance was either connected with the ark, the temple, or the wall protecting the central sanctuary. The victory procession recorded in 2 Chronicles 20 ended at the temple (v.28). The dedication ceremonies with the Levitical use of instruments never occurred outside of Jerusalem, the site of the templeâthe central place of sacrifice. Fourth, the dedication services involved sacrifices and burnt offerings (1 Chron. 16:1-2; 2 Chron. 7:1, 5-6; Neh. 12:43). In fact, the burnt offerings and peace offerings were the climaxes of these services." (B.Schwertley) |
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