Duh wrote:
You don't even understand what is meant by Totally depraved..Ps 51David the adulterer and murderer wrote that. Real Holy Man he was!

David's life was a nightmare from then on. Sin isn't a joke, God isn't a joke. Annanias and Sophira aren't a joke, and the early church didn't think what happened to them was a joke as UK John supposes.

Totally depraved--"total" means complete, absolute. "Depraved" means rotten through and through, pure evil, corrupt, opposite of innocent.

The only ones who are totally depraved are Satan and his angels. Also those die in their sins, slaves to sin, to Satan. Bible says we're all slaves to who we choose--to sin and death, or righteousness and life. God says, "Choose life."

William S. Sutherland wrote:
So you don't like the term 'total depravity.' Then how about the biblical language "dead in trespasses and sins?" A dead person cannot do anything for himself until he is "quickened" (another biblical term) or "made alive." We don't make ourselves alive, GOD does that! GOD is Sovereign, NOT us. Our will is in bondage to sin. HE has a TRULY Free-will and HIS IS BIGGER!!!

Jesus taught his disciples they were in danger of going to Hell (for arguing over who was the greatest). Jesus brought a young child as an example for his disciples to follow, said, "Unless you become as this child you will not enter Heaven." Jesus warned his disciples they could go to Hell (ie no OSAS).

Another time parents wanted to bring their children to Jesus to be blessed, and the disciples tried to stop them. Jesus said, "Suffer the little children to come unto me, for OF SUCH is the Kingdom of Heaven."

Bible says scripture was written by "HOLY men of old (not totally depraved) who wrote as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

We don't need to get born again to get born again, if you get my drift.

Mr. Marty McD wrote:
CAB feel free to offer substantive comments at any time.

Calvinists are welcome to consider themselves God's Totally Depraved Chosen, and you should know yourselves. I don't know anybody else who is tho.

If Calvinists want to be chief of sinners, claim God is blind to your sins; if you want to ignore, ridicule and mock God's commands--take pride that you have no fear of God..and still look down on others..

..Follow Calvin's channeled volumes of (Augustinian/Platonic/Gnostic) Institutes, but can't defend any of it by the Bible, other than by wresting scripture and redefining words.

Cult much?

To MOCK at scripture, at the very IDEA of harmonizing scripture.

So WHO would like to join with God's Chosen Totally Depraved? (not me)

WHO believes in no conditions for election, that God uses any old body? God could just as well have chosen Aaron as Moses to lead the Exodus?

Bloodless (limited) atonement anyone?

Irresistible Grace? God puts a spell on people like the Care Bears cartoon?

Ugh wrote:
Cab........

One fruit of the spirit is self-control.

So do you have any logical, rational arguments to rebut with? If not, your behavior proves your position is not Christian, that you are immature, and you probably don't belong on a forum like this.

Arbitrary interpretation wrote:
Your interpretation is completely arbitrary. the Holy Spirit is a divine being silly, not booze. To be full of the Holy Spirit means to be Spirit led and growing in holiness. You have not proved one iota that the oil represents the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 25:1-2 KJV Then shall the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN be LIKENED unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Notice, the parable "likened" to going to Heaven and meeting the bridegroom. Why are the betrothed taking their lamps? Notice, w/o the oil they cannot get through the door. Half of them had gone dry, needed a refill, went to get the refill, but when they returned the door was shut, it was TOO LATE, and the bridegroom said, "Sorry, I don't know you."

Romans 8 tells us we won't get into Heaven if we die w/o the Holy Spirit.

In OT, kings were anointed with OIL, representing the Holy Spirit.

In James, the sick call for the elders to anoint w/ OIL and pray for healing, also represents Holy Spirit.

Lamp oil BURNS, and we're told to let our LIGHT so shine before men, not to "hide our light" etc.

Our lamplight is God living thru us, the Holy Spirit.

Erik wrote:
Look this is about forgiveness, not who committed the worst sin. Paul described himself as the chief among sinners. I hate the sin of abortion just as much as any born again believer should. This women is trying to seek forgiveness and seems as some on here just wanted to kick her while she was down.

inky fingers wrote:
Nothing new here its the old saved by faith kept by works doctrine.Sadly at our best we are not that good.

This same lesson is taught by Jesus over and over, in different ways and illustrations, as in if we don't "get it" from this illustration then maybe from this one we'll "get it." It's not like Jesus, the best and most trustworthy and authoritative teacher we could ask for, never come from Heaven to walk among us and never taught us with his own mouth, recorded in the 4 gospels and elsewhere in the NT!

If we don't make at least an effort to hear and "get it," and prefer to make up our own truth instead, we are going to wake up in Hell someday and wonder what happened.

John UK wrote:
Matthew 25:1-2 KJV
1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
What is Jesus speaking about here? These ten are representative of all people at second coming of Christ. He says to many of them, "I know you not."
He does NOT say, "I once knew you, but alas you never made the grade." Now note again in another place where he does the same thing, but introduces the word "never". Matthew 7:23 KJV
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Then you use another parable to change the wording of THIS parable, from "I don't know you" to "I never knew you."

John UK wrote:
Matthew 25:11-12 KJV
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Jesus is omniscient, he knows all. But he KNOWS NOT these foolish virgins. Think about that for a moment. And then...
Observe
John 10:14-15 KJV
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

The 5 betrothed virgins had oil lamps THAT WENT DRY (of oil/Holy Spirit). They were once full, but now they weren't. When they went to get MORE OIL (to get a refill of the Spirit), it was TOO LATE, and they got locked out of Heaven. Romans 8 teaches if we die dry, we miss the first resurrection, meaning Second Death, HELL.

The point is, if we don't abide, don't stay full of the Spirit, if we die dry, we GO TO HELL.

John UK wrote:
CAB saying..rejects portions of the gospels..in code to the Jews. I am looking for proof of that assertion.

Baptist churches, Independent, Charismatic churches ignore the four gospels.

We have ALL HEARD THIS. In Bible study group, if any of Jesus' teachings were brought up, a seminary grad would inform that Jesus' words were "in code to the Jews and not for us."

I've spent countless hours in pews, listened to hours of radio and TV preaching, read piles of spiritual books, and NO TEACHING ON THE WORDS OF JESUS IS EVER given, other than to prove the EXISTENCE of Hell, but not who goes there and why.

So no, you won't find sermons titled: "Jesus' Words are in Code to the Jews and Not for Christians," but we've all heard it from our mentors.

THIS IS EVIL and people are going to Hell because of it.

I wrote John MacArthur w/ questions on the Parable of the Sower. He sent a vague sermon with no answers.

John UK wrote:
Okay, which ones, as I would like to see your point proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, that a Calvinist would preach such things.

They've been referred here as cultic parables.

Why are only a few of us bringing up Four Gospels, and why are they ignored, mocked? Why am I called terrible names for espousing the plain teachings of Jesus?

I don't have to hunt through sermons to find wilful ignorance and discrediting of Jesus' teachings, they are HERE! Pastors DON'T preach from the gospels (other than Christmas and Easter stories and John 3:16, and divinity of Christ). But stuff on Hell and Judgment, what we must do to be a real Christian--NOT.

It's obvious, RIGHT HERE, what happens if anyone stands on the teachings of Jesus. Just as Jesus warned.

Do you have a conscience?

Unprofitable Servant wrote:
As usual a post FULL of distortions and mistruths. But we will focus on just one.Find a sermon on this site, or a statement on a church website that states that holiness in life does not matter in the life of Christian.

The so-called Christians are the biggest warmongering neocons, wanting to blow up peaceful families across the ocean and steal their oil, as tho we don't have oceans of it right here for ourselves, but we want theirs too.

Yes, I've heard sermons here where people were told to ignore the four gospels, the words of Jesus--that they were in code to the Jews and "not for us."

How many sermons will you find that deal with the teachings of Jesus? That should tell you something right there.

Please just don't act like you don't know these things.

Jesus said, You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.

John UK wrote:
So you're saying that the doctrine of the imputed righteousness of Christ is heresy?

This is your penal atonement, UK John, the atonement that does not transform or blood-wash away sins, but pays in advance by Wrath of God on Jesus for all your sins God knew you'd commit--Jesus w/ infinite Hells, but your sins still there and your nature no different.

You get to walk around with a magical covering over all your evil sins that are still there and always will be there, the same old miserable sinner you were before--only now God developed a magical blindness so he can't see your sins.

Snow covered dung.

What a corrupting evil doctrine. Turns God into a blind raging fool, and Jesus into a punching bag, and you not changed a bit by a bloodless atonement.

Just like the bumper sticker says: Christian, no different, just forgiven.

But I've watched/heard Minister Farrakhan (Nation of Islam) on YouTube, and think I'd feel right at home in one of his services. He preaches mostly from the Bible (not the Koran), and he preaches righteousness and fear of God, warns about sin, the devices of Satan. The congregation is well-dressed, the women modestly attired, and there is a dignity there. The people are sober and taking in the words of Farrakhan in a way you would expect from people learning about the care of their souls and eternal destiny. The insight of Farrakhan into the ways of the world goes past anything heard on TBN or the megachurches.

The Bible says "Love not the world," and Muslims don't. They aren't fooled by its glitter.

So to answer the question -- Mormons? No. Muslims like those in the Nation of Islam, American style Islam? Sure. I could go to a service and not feel like I was betraying God or my conscience.

R. K. Borill wrote:
Such is the growing abomination from a nation of reprobate minds.

Who would not take a deal like that? You get everything (ie License to Sin and a one-way ticket to Heaven) and the other guy (God) gets NOTHING. It's even sold that way. "It's free."

But the Bible says to "count the cost"--that God wants EVERYTHING from us, to put God first, to love him with all our heart, mind, soul and STRENGTH, and that all who live Godly in Jesus WILL be persecuted.

The church says to steer AWAY from the Gospels and Jesus' words, that they are "in code to the Jews" and "not for us."

Ginger wrote:
Would that horrible crime of murder be any less horrible than a lie or adultry in God's eyes?Is her sin worse than David when he cmmitted adultry with Bathseba and had her husbsnd killed to cover it up when she got pregnant?!!

David and Bathsheba are not excuse to sin. God punished/chastised David for the terrible sin he did, considering the temptation he was in, his heart. God knows.

David's baby died, another son (Absalom) murdered his brother (for raping his sister). Absalom ended up stealing David's kingdom and was also killed. All David's wives committed adultery on David, IN PUBLIC. If David had not repented when the prophet confronted him, David would be in Hell now. Sin is not a joke.

A lie or gossip is not "equal with" murder. Another terrible corrupting heresy taught by the church that all sins are equal! God didn't destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because of gossip! And Jesus taught it would be better to have a millstone tied around our neck and be thrown in the ocean than to offend/corrupt the innocent.

GsTexas wrote:
CAB, can you prove Pat Robertson is Illuminati? Or that the Illuminati is behind 9/11? ..asserting that this forum is full of "paid agents" is going a little too far, and sounds paranoid.

The London Central Banksters pay people. Hey, they own the chemtrail business, the entire regular media, most of the alternative media, and they can well afford to pay thousands of infiltrators and posters to come on important forums like SA. WWIII is a religious war, and they need the Christian Zionist support to carry out The Plan.

We've all gotten photo-shopped hatemongering emails that just go round and round, w/ the people we're told are Muslims, with heads wrapped in rags, slit eyes, carrying big signs "Death to the Infidel" and "We hate your freedom,"
but all the same handwriting. Or the pics of the tall Muslim men in their 20s wearing suits, standing next to little girls in white dresses for a mass wedding. Who do you think creates and sends those out? The people who mail them out, those are the ONLY kind of emails they send!

Google Robertson, Illuminati. His pic was on Time Mag giving the Lions Paw. He's a Satanist. If you are paying for Internet, use it, don't waste it.

John Beechy wrote:
Stop removing my posts Alf!!
Anyways dopey, apparently the dope has hindered your comprehension ability. Let's try it this way, perhaps you can show us that J. Vern did not teach Statism and killing believers and unbelievers in the name of Jesus in the same way you expected me to show you that he didn't.

They preach License to Sin. They are corrupting God's new baby Christians and leading them into deadly error. Bible says they will receive a greater damnation because they are teachers.

So scary. Remember Annanias and Sophira. They are in Hell because they lied. They sold all they had and gave MOST of it to the church, but not ALL of it, but SAID they DID give all of it.

God is no pushover like J. Vernon McGee taught, not blind to our sins; knows our motives, knows our heart, and God doesn't want any scumbags in Heaven with him.

Strat wrote:
Well sure,anyone who doesn't subscribe to the whole liberal Feminist victimhood scenario sounds harsh,anything said stripped of emotional drivel sounds harsh...death by saline solution or dismemberment is quite harsh,having a millstone tied around your neck for harming a child as Jesus said is harsh...those guilty of this sin can be forgiven and I challenge you to quote anyone saying otherwise...sorry that murder wasn't as warm and fuzzy as modern liberal pseudo Christianity has taught you it should be.

Why don't people fear God!?! Sin is our enemy, and our churches are teaching us that it's no big deal if we've "been saved," that we can sin and God will be blind to our sin if Jesus hides our sin with imputed righteousness.