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Jim Lincoln wrote:
Property of Donald Trump.

News Item9/1/18 10:08 AM
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Yolanda wrote:
While most economists say President Donald Trump may be overstating his responsibility for recent better growth and jobs numbers, they say his policies may have had a limited positive influence in some areas. …
At the same time, they warn, there are ways the president might also be a drag on growth …
Moody's Analytics chief economist Mark Zandi says it's too early to conclude either way about the Trump effect. He says the economy was "doing fine" before he took office and hasn't changed much. He did add the president will get a chance to have a real impact in coming months. "They have got to raise the debt limit and pass a budget," Zandi said. "If they don't do that, it will do real damage."” US News 
“Mark Zandi is a registered Democrat and an advocate of Keynesian economics,” says Barney Keller, a spokesman for the influential Club for Growth. “He’s about as conservative as Paul Krugman, and wrong just as often.”.

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Seems Yolanda and Jim Lincoln have a lot in common.


News Item8/30/18 12:56 AM
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I believe I read in another article that Senator McCain arranged his own funeral.

So far he has arranged to strike out from the grave in anger/retaliation at Trump, Putin and now his former VP running mate Sarah Palin.

The bible says to not let the sun set on your anger but McCain took it with him to his grave. What a shame to go to the grave a bitter man. At least the Palin family responded graciously to his insult from the grave.


News Item8/27/18 1:06 AM
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Yolanda wrote:
I understand more and more what David meant while praying to the Lord to not let him fall into the hands of wicked men. Men like Lurker.
My prayer is that you feel utterly ashamed as a child of Trump - having to demean one based upon the character of another.
Shame on you Lurker.
Perhaps you should read my comment again, Yolanda. You'll notice I never uttered a bad or 'demeaning' word about the person of John McCain. That would be an ad hominem; like you calling me a "wicked man" without even knowing me. A personal insult, if you will.

I did, however, point out that his values were not friendly to conservatism. And for that tidbit of truth you shame me?

For your convenience, here is my comment again:

"I'll pray for the family of John McCain. And I respect him for his distinguished military service. But McCain was no friend of conservative values. A devout Never Trumper. That he is receiving flowery praise from Obama, Chuck Schumer, Pelosi and Hillary pretty well tells the story of his political values."


News Item8/26/18 11:30 PM
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Christopher000 wrote:
Lurker Wrote:
"The headline is disgustingly misleading which seems to be the norm any more."
Thanks Lurker, and you're right about that. I read the article this morning, and only then realized that it was focusing on a single kid, I couldn't help but consider the larger picture, and widespread ramifications of such rulings. Seems to me that the proponents will be just fine with this nonsense right up until it hits home and begins effecting their own children's privacy and safety. I wonder then if they'll continue to fight for these transgender rights, or if they'll drive straight to the school and demand to know why there was a boy showering with their child in the girls locker room, etc.
Hey Chris,

I don't comment much any more because all this up side down stuff makes my head spin. It's bad enough with all the ugly news but then add in Jim's liberal nonsense and it gets overwhelming. I'm beginning to understand why older people don't say much. Maybe I'm already there.


News Item8/26/18 6:09 PM
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Plain Old Tim wrote:
Right on the money, Lurker. Jim is apparently among those "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away."
Problem with Jim is he's Teflon coated. I believe the bible speaks to that as well.... "Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness..."

Jim has eyes but he can't see.... ears but he can't hear. Pity to be beyond help.


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Jim Lincoln wrote:
I would also point out that George Will 3 years ago recognized, [URL=https://tinyurl.com/yd934hen]]]https://tinyurl.com/yd934hen (Donald Trump is a counterfeit Republican) [/URL]
And you're a counterfeit Christian. So what's your point?

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I'll pray for the family of John McCain. And I respect him for his distinguished military service. But McCain was no friend of conservative values. A devout Never Trumper. That he is receiving flowery praise from Obama, Chuck Schumer, Pelosi and Hillary pretty well tells the story of his political values.

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The headline is disgustingly misleading which seems to be the norm any more.

Never the less, this Obama appointed federal district judge has no problem trashing the sensibilities of normal kids to cater to one "gender confused" girl. His answer to the parents of the normal kids? Take your kids out of public schools if you don't like it.


News Item8/24/18 10:08 PM
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Jim Lincoln wrote:
Note, UPS, George Will is Pulitzer prize winning conservative.
He's also an atheist. So what's your point?

News Item8/22/18 11:01 PM
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The Quiet Christian wrote:
Whatever happened to you, perhaps at the hand of the Romanists, you need to give to Jesus.
What happened to Jim was the great recession fleeced his retirement portfolio which he blamed on the Republicans. Prior to that he was much more conservative. No wonder the bible says the love of money is the root of all evil.

News Item8/18/18 10:16 PM
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John UK wrote:
That's good, brother!
But you've just done it again, and I can hardly believe it. You are referring to these great men of God like Charles Spurgeon and John Owen as if they couldn't read the Bible so took the "traditional" viewpoint of earlier men.
John! Are you alright? Get into a bad batch of carrot juice?

I have no idea where you came up with the above but the broadly accepted tradition I was speaking of was the commentaries you and Adriel posted.

I was going to ask your opinion on "Thy kingdom come", knowing you're an amil, but I changed my mind.

Another time, bro.


News Item8/18/18 12:14 PM
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John UK wrote:
I say this as a friend, and I hope you don't take it badly.
Of course I don't take it badly, John.

To set the record straight, I was never dogmatic about anything in my posts. I never suggested your view was wrong or those you quoted were in error and I made it clear I was thinking out loud trying to make sense of the text in its historical setting and timeline. I'm still thinking on it but there is no sense continuing on here when I'm thought of as a rebel against broadly accepted tradition because I don't immediately jump on the bandwagon.

Have a good day.


News Item8/17/18 11:20 PM
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Thanks John, Adriel and Christopher for your thoughts.
John Mackay wrote:
Lead us not into temptation implies simply this ;-that God would keep us from falling into sin as we are unable to uphold ourselves without his grace working in us by The Holy Spirit
It is being expressed negatively and it is really saying lead us away from temptation by your Holy Spirit and don’t leave us to ourselves
It's an interesting interpretation but may I respectfully say that at the time the prayer was taught by Jesus the first covenant stood extant and the Holy Spirit had not yet been sent to indwell believers. So while it may sound good it doesn't meet the test.
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Thanks bro but I reckon you're barking up the wrong olive.
John,

I'm a slow learner but I can tell when it's futile to question the Protestant popes so I'll take my leave of the subject. Thanks for the exchange.


News Item8/17/18 2:48 PM
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John UK wrote:
I don't think you are missing anything, bro.
John Gill says, "There are various sorts of temptations."

"Now, in this petition, the children of God pray, that they may be kept from every occasion and object of sinning; from those sins they are most inclined to; that God would not leave them to Satan, and their own corrupt hearts; nor suffer them to sink under the weight of temptations of any sort; but that, in the issue, they might have a way to escape, and be victorious over all." JG

Thanks John,

I'm off for my days duties but will look into this more this evening.

Where I'm stuck is the words "lead us not". That doesn't imply "Don't let me fall..." or anything similar as the commentaries suggest. What it does imply, at least in my mind, is that some (not those who pray with a sincere heart) will, in fact, be led into temptation by God and clearly not for their good but for their eternal damnation.

Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

I rather believe this is the temptation being spoken of in the prayer.


News Item8/17/18 11:50 AM
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John UK wrote:
Ah Lurker, Bro Ryle is far more brief in his treatment than Bro Calvin. And he seems to take a much softer approach, probably trying to avoid attributing any injustice to the Lord.
The eighth sentence is a petition respecting our weakness: “Lead us not into temptation.” It teaches us that we are liable, at all times, to be led astray and to fall. It instructs us to confess our infirmity, and beseech God to hold us up, and not allow us to run into sin. We ask Him, who orders all things in heaven and earth, to restrain us from going into that which would injure our souls...
Hey John,

Here's what the pope is proposing:

"A better rendering of the petition would be: “Do not let me fall into temptation,” Francis said."

I can't tell the difference between Ryle's treatment and the Pope's. What am I missing?


News Item8/17/18 12:56 AM
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Bro. John,

In case I'm not making much sense I should say I agree with you that the prayer is intended for the faithful remnant. "Lead **us** not" makes that clear. But the possibility still exists that the tares amongst the wheat will be led into temptation and not delivered which is agreeable with Ryle's commentary, even though he didn't make that point real clear. After all, the sickle will be laid to both the wheat and the tares but the tares will be bundled and burned while the wheat is raised into the Father's barn.


News Item8/16/18 11:21 PM
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John UK wrote:
Last one. Thank you.
Thanks for the three part commentary, John. I read them all twice.

But... Ryle ended up where I began.

"God not only gives us up to the will of Satan, to kindle the flame of lust, but employs him as the agent of his wrath, when he chooses to drive men headlong to destruction..."

However, I agree with Ryle in that the petition is one: "lead us not but deliver us". Now, if it were not possible for God to lead those who call Him Father into temptation then the entire petition is rendered meaningless and we both know Jesus wouldn't teach a meaningless prayer. So what now?

I'm still hung up on the timeline Jesus taught the prayer was during the first covenant economy. Did God lead the northern kingdom into Assyrian captivity? Or the southern kingdom into Babylonian captivity? Were the two kingdoms tried, as in an iron furnace, during their captivities and a faithful remnant, purged of dross, delivered? Is there yet another tribulation and great tribulation to be fulfilled?

I'm just thinking out loud here John. Perhaps the temptation is what Paul warned the unbelieving Jews of:

Acts 13:40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;

See Habakkuk 1:5-11 for the prophecy.


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John UK wrote:
Bro, I realise that a multitude of nominal Christians pray this prayer by rote. However, it must surely be designed for Gal 4:28 people, because it commences with Our *Father*.
So it's possible for God to lead His own people into temptation? Maybe it matters that Jesus taught this prayer while the first covenant still stood and only a remnant really belonged to the Father.

I suspect you're right in what you pointed out but wondering how to make sense of it.


News Item8/16/18 9:57 AM
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John UK wrote:
Matt 6:13 KJV
(13)  And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
There are great depths in this prayer that the Lord taught his disciples.
Hey John,

Count on the RCC to rewrite the bible to conform to their present progressive agenda.

"Lead"

Tense: The aorist tense is characterized by its emphasis on punctiliar action; that is, the concept of the verb is considered without regard for past, present, or future time.

Voice: The active voice represents the subject as the doer or performer of the action.

Mood: The subjunctive mood is the mood of possibility and potentiality. The action described may or may not occur, depending upon circumstances.

Proof text of the truth of the prayer:

2 Thes 2:10-12 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause **God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:** That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

IMO, the prayer recognizes the poor soil in which the seed of the gospel did not take root and bear fruit.

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