Anyway, if anyone cares to disagree with what I said 5/10/19 2.03pm, please feel free to quote me and you can make your point, and I will respond with respect and love.

Benjamin, thank you for your advice concerning KJV-Onlyist cultists and how they behave. You will probably know far more about them than I do.

Frank, I appreciate your support. You also know far more than I do about KJV-Onlyist cultists, but I am catching up bro.

"So says" is a troll who is stirring the pot. Think about what you do, the Lord sees all.

Brother US, I greatly appreciate you, and will respond more to your statement after breakfast. But I will just say that although the Met Tab in London is independent, and fundamentalist, and Baptist, it is nothing like an IFB church and would never call itself such. It is 1689 Baptist (in IFB terminology it is a group of the Frozen Chosen).

Moses wrote:
...especially when your weapon is a plastic sword...

Luke 8:11 KJV
(11)  Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.

Unprofitable Servant wrote:
Hey John can you be more specific? This, like cataract surgery or coranary bypass surgery was unknown at the time the Scriptures were written.
Not speaking in favor of the procedure but I could see where it would be used apart from the LBGTQ group

Isaiah 1:24-27 KJV
(24)  Therefore saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts, the mighty One of Israel, Ah, I will ease me of mine adversaries, and avenge me of mine enemies:
(25)  And I will turn my hand upon thee, and purely purge away thy dross, and take away all thy tin:
(26)  And I will restore thy judges as at the first, and thy counsellors as at the beginning: afterward thou shalt be called, The city of righteousness, the faithful city.
(27)  Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness.

So "faithful city" to a "harlot" to a "city of righteousness, the faithful city".

Dolores wrote:
The fig tree signifies Israel, keep your eyes on Israel.

Matthew 24:32 KJV
(32)  Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

Mark 13:28 KJV
(28)  Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:

Obviously in the first text, 'his branch' refers to all the male Jews. And in the second text 'her branch' refers to all the female Jews.

Matthew 24:33 KJV
(33)  So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

'..when ye shall see all these things' refer to the signs which Jesus has just been talking about, which have nothing to do with fig trees representing Israel.
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Christopher000 wrote:
The old reformers, and anyone else, before, or since, had good reason to refer to the Roman religious machine, and its Papacy, etc., as mystery Babylon; the great harlot.

Christopher000 wrote:
Wow John, that was seriously deep. You really do have a gift for thinking outside of the box. I have no idea how you come up with this stuff, but your brainpower is impressive, to say the least; always leaving me in utter awe. 😊

No, don't laugh.

I will go on record as saying that I do not believe any good will come from this.

Chris G P wrote:
My heart also goes out to the multiple poor Christian families in Pakistan struggling with enforced debt by greedy lustful Muslim landlord / employers, who are running them as slaves, seizing and raping their daughters, and police who just stand back and do nothing, and where a Muslim only needs to mention the magic word “blasphemy” to get rid of his Christian neighbour.

Pakistan was created by partitioning part of India as a homeland for Muslims. The British gave any non-Muslims 24 hrs to leave the country and go across the state line and remain therefore in India. After then, the border was put up.

I asked someone recently why all the Christians did not depart at that time, when they had opportunity? He said that many Christians did not wish to depart the place of their birth, and they also did not realise just how difficult it was going to be, to live in a country which is 97% Muslim.

Frank wrote:
What a great comment brother and I can relate to your complete comment. There have been times when I was "filled with the Spirit" (don't want to argue this terminology) and times when the only thing I can relate to is Paul in the latter part of Romans 7.
I don't know why either brother, but I know it was for my good and His glory.

Yes, as I look back, I can see now why John Bunyan placed the 'delectable mountains' into his book, a spiritual place during the spiritual journey, from where a view of the holy city was far more pronounced than is normal. The sort of place you might like to remain and just gaze at the glory and see light inexpressible.

But alas, it is merely one place along the narrow road which leads to life, and there are harder places to trek across and enemies to fight and, as you say, Romans 7 experiences to lament.

"Oh, what was that," John replied.

"You know, when you said, 'Aha, I'll just sit back today and be an Observer.'"

"Oh, that! Yes I suppose so."

"Sure it is, and you said you said you'd put your feet up, get some popcorn, and have a very relaxing time watching it all."

"Watching what all?"

"You know, the thingy."

"Oh yes, the thingy. I suppose it will all happen before I run out of popcorn, as I didn't get very much."

"Well, you could always go in the kitchen and make some pancakes."

My Own 2 cents wrote:
John Lee, A striker means physically abusive, not disciplining children the Bible way.

Frank wrote:
Thanks for that quote Pilgrim. It certainly puts fear in perspective. I am ashamed at the times fear or anxiety have overcome me and stopped me from praising my Lord and Savior. But, one day, we will have incorruptible bodies and then no fear or sin.

Turn your eyes upon JESUS
Look full in his wonderful face
And the things of earth will grow strangely dim
In the light of his glory and grace

Christopher000 wrote:
Sorry John, I was in a hurry earlier, which is why my follow-up was so short. Anyway, yes, it's a modern proverb, but the same basic meaning, nevertheless. You aren't alone, and I'd bet most Christians believe it to be an actual verse of scripture. I did for most of my life.
I wanted to go back to your original thoughts, and wondering if your position has changed at all, keeping in mind what I said earlier:

What I said was that I preferred sanctions rather than actual physical violence. I do not like violence, I have a very soft heart.

Thankfully, I have never been in a position to test this out, so on my part it is mere speculation what I would do.

1 Timothy 3:2-4 KJV
(2)  A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
(3)  Not given to wine, **no striker**, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
(4)  One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;