John UK wrote:
You say it is obvious my faith is in Calvin's theology? Hey, tell you what, shall we do a Bible Study about imputation? From the scriptures only? Cool!

Or are you one of those people who say Christians should stay away from the gospels, stick to a few passages by St. Paul, that Jesus spoke in code to the Jews and that we non-Jews can't understand what Jesus was saying.

When was the last time you read the Bible with an open mind, specifically Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?

TeenChristian wrote:
Jim I agree, morality isn't going to save America, but I'd sure like to see some morality! I walk into my local grocery store and I have to keep my head down! Now you are older than me so this probably isn't a problem for you, but for me, seeing all those abominable ads and all the girls my age with immodest clothing, I can't look at that without being tempted! (I'd appreciate prayer) So I keep my head down & I sing my favorite praise & worship songs. My point being, I'd really LOVE some morality.

America is self-destructing. The churches that preach easy believism and license to sin, fatalism and lack of responsibility for choices and behavior -- are a huge part of what's wrong with America.

Some people say Babylon of Rev. 16-18 and of Jeremiah 50 and 51 is the Roman Catholic Church -- but the shoe doesn't fit. Anybody who reads those scriptures can easily see they are describing end-time America.

TeenChristian wrote:
You guys really ought to do some reading and consider a whole foods plant based diet ..

John UK wrote:
I always find it most ironic, when folks come on here saying that faith in Christ is insufficient, and that works are required to supplement the work of the Son of God.

Chad727 wrote:
God did everything required for my salvation:
He drew me to Him when i was living in the filth of my own self righteousness. He gave me the gift of repentance with eyes to see the sin within me and the sin around me, He made me sensitive to it. It was and IS God's grace that empowers me to go down the tracks He has laid for me. He gave me to Christ Jesus my Savoir, when all i was deserving of was hell. God has done it all, everything i am or ever will be is because of Him. Im in bondage to Him, and im so grateful to be.
Mark 8:34

The words of Jesus in the 4 gospels are especially important. Be sure to focus in on them.

Watch out who you listen to for Bible teaching. Remember the parable of the sower -- the first example lost his salvation by believing Satan's heretical lies. The Bible says if you believe another gospel than the one you first received, you will lose your soul.

Unprofitable Servant wrote:
The Scripture say that EVERLASTING LIFE is a present possession(John 3:36; 5:24) of the believer. So, how long is EVERLASTING?

Jesus spoke to the churches in Revelation, warned them about being lukewarm, and said they COULD lose their salvation. That was a warning to the churches plural. It was about losing salvation. What does that tell you? Jesus told all the churches that they must be OVERCOMERS or they would lose what they had (salvation). They all had areas where they were falling down and drifting away from God. Jesus warned them, get a grip, or get blotted out of the book of life.

Rev. 3:5 "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."

1517 wrote:
CAB,
You say I am reading into scripture, how so? I posted scripture as it is written. Besides, how do you understand John 10: 26-29? Isn't that a wonderful reality, that NONE can pluck us out of His hand?! Christ is our all in all, we must rest in Him and not in our "filthy rags" righteousness.

1517 wrote:
CAB,
So it really comes out...we can lose our salvation. How in the world do we keep it?
"But ye believe not; because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. MY sheep hear my voice, and I KNOW them, and they follow me: And I GIVE them eternal life: and they shall NEVER perish, NEITHER shall ANY man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which GAVE them me, is greater than ALL; no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." John 10:26-29. The Devil would want us to believe that it is up to US and not God who must maintain our salvation.

Eternal life is definitely eternal, but possessing eternal life is another matter. Nobody says that eternal life is not eternal. Hell is also eternal. If we die in our sins, die without the Holy Spirit, like 5 of the 10 virgins, or like Judas or Solomon or Annanias and Sophira and others named in scripture, we will find ourselves in Hell.

Frank wrote:
CAB
[15] I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
[20] Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; (Jhn 17:2, 9-11, 15, 20 KJV)
Our Lord and Savior is praying to His heavenly Father in the above verses. Note; losing one’s salvation is certainly synonymous with evil. And lastly, He says His prayer is not only for His immediate audience, but for those who would believe through their word (that would be us). Now here is the question; is it possible that God the Father won’t honor His Son’s request.

The Bible says all who live godly in Christ Jesus WILL SUFFER PERSECUTION. Persecution is the name of the game to be a Christian.

These scriptures do not mean God is picking people out to "keep" and some to "not keep" or "damn."

"Keep them from the evil" means help them to remain true and pure, in an evil wicked world where we are surrounded with temptation, persecution, spiritual wickedness.

1517 wrote:
What about the famous verse of we are MORE than conquerors or no one can takes out of God's hand. The race is certainly not over, but the victory is WON. You are prescribing a works salvation. Christians don't have to "cling" to Christ, we were bought with a place, we are His. He will never leave us nor forsake us. We love Him because He FIRST loved us. He took out our heart of stone and gave us a heart of flesh.

Hey, the Bible is full of W-A-R-N-I-N-G-S, says we're in a war for our souls, and we have a ferocious adversary and the world itself pulling at us.

penny wrote:
CAB- why is it hard to believe even your salvation was a gift from God?.. predestination and election are both written right there in scripture... the branch doesn't just hang on for dear life,..the branch draws life that is given.

Yes, we do hang on to Jesus for dear life.

St. Paul was about as godly a man as you can imagine, and he did not take his salvation for granted, not for one minute. If he did not, then how can we listen to these teachers with their sweet lies telling us we are good to go, not to worry, be happy, the race is over, you won. That's just plain not so.

We didn't get picked out of a hat, and we're not a dream in God's mind. Free will is real, and we will answer to God for our choices, and the sin unto death means spiritual death, as Adam and Eve committed a sin unto death when they disobeyed God and ate the fruit.

It's possible to go dry -- to grieve away, insult away, ignore or quench away God's spirit. When that happens it means we're not saved anymore.

ladybug wrote:
CAB - you say 'The bible is full of warnings of Hell to saved people.' "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." Romans 8:1 1 John 5:13, "I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life."
"And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ." Philippians 1:6 "I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand."

there is no hell for the truly regenerate.

1517 wrote:
CAB,
You state that we are not robots..how does one man choose and obey and the next man does not? What is special about the one and deficient in the other? That is the fatal flaw or dilemma of asserting man has the inherent ability to choose or obey. If you say the man who obeys is somehow more spiritual means he can boast, contrary to scripture.

To be a Christian means automatically we are a servant, a soldier, an ambassador, and Jesus says we are not our own, that we are bought with a price.

Paul says we are in a race, and that if an athlete practices and sacrifices and disciplines himself to get a silly trophy, that the prize we are running to obtain in our race is beyond price, and we should make every effort, strive, push forward, get the best over our body and sinful desires. It is a war, a battle, a test, a sifting.

abideinthevine wrote:
The saints will be taken up and will judge the nations, for they have already been judged and ransomed by the finished work of our Lord Jesus Christ who paid for sins of His people, every sin; for being God He alone has power to 'while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."

ladybug wrote:
it would be wise to scripture to back your claim

Jude 4: "ungodly men, turning the grace of our god into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ."

Wresting scriptures, studying Calvin like the rabbis study the Talmud (ignorant of the Torah). Forbidding to read or consider the words of Jesus, claiming they are "in code to the Jews" ..stay away.

License to sin. Telling same sweet lies Satan told in the Garden: "You shall NOT surely die."

But what about Annanias and Sophira, Demas, Alexander the coppersmith, the foolish widows, Judas, Solomon, Saul? Or the 5 foolish widows who went dry and went to Hell; the lazy servant who went to Hell; 3 of the 4 people in the parable of the sower who went to Hell?

Did Jesus come to give us a license to sin, to blow up the planet for Jesus?

penny wrote:
CAB -- its like God preordained a way for us to have healthy soil, predestined in fact His Provision for us. awesome, isn't it?

Growing vegetables in soil that has been tilled, where the organisms are dead and gone, and there is nothing there to let the plants grow but petrochemicals and GMO seeds and weedkiller -- that is not God's way to garden.

Or the state deciding that a certain crop, i.e. soybeans, will get big subsidies and government loans and support to all who grow it -- when it's a food that is not fit to eat, this is not farming. Neither are the CAFOs.

John UK wrote:
.. the fact that I differ from you causes you a problem... Are you justified by faith alone, or by faith plus merit? Important questions, because hell awaits.

Jesus jumped on his own disciples because they were arguing over who was the greatest, and told them if they did not humble themselves and get over themselves and become like a little child (a child which Jesus presented to them as an example for THEM to follow) -- Jesus aid THEY WOULD GO TO HELL.

So it's all plainly spelled out in scripture, in many pages and many teachings, by Jesus directly and also by Paul and Peter, James, Jude. It's on every page. We are not a dream in God's mind. This life is a test. We must overcome. We have a race to run and a prize to obtain.

HIV has nothing whatever to do with AIDS. Watch the documentary online "House of Numbers" and find out the money making racket Organized Medicine has made out of AIDS.

Before it was called "AIDS" it was called GRID (Gay Related Immune Deficiency). I won't describe what the homos were doing, you've probably heard and read, but they were popping a lot of antibiotics and then doing horrific things to their body. When the infections came into their bloodstreams, they had no immunity to fight back--said immunity having been destroyed by popping all the antibiotics and by abuse to the body and its immune system.

AIDS means "Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome." Believe it or not, lots of people are diagnosed with it who do not have it, but once they start taking Organized Medicine's high priced AIDS drugs, they turn into skeletons and are in their coffins shortly. Those who refuse Organized Medicine's protocols, just eat right, get fresh air, sunshine and rest live as long and well as anybody else.

The HIV-AIDS test is based on subjective questions and answers. The antibodies tested for can apply to myriads of diseases.

John UK wrote:
Big post CAB. You are clearly anti-grace.
I am interested to know what is your gospel message, and how secure a believer is in Christ Jesus.

Have you not read the 4 gospels: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John? Do you think those words are encryptions or in code? Many of those teachings are repeated 2 or 3 times.

Basic Christianity 101. I'm surprised you are not familiar.

If you want to know if you are or are not a sheep, Jesus said, "My sheep hear my voice and they follow me."

Who would have thought making fantastic soil that grows delicious healthy food would be such a thrill?

This is one of the best documentaries ever.