Wasn't he tight with the faux pa in Rome and with Billy Graham? Wasn't he a high level mason? Wasn't his wife into astrology? In church today,he's remembered as a Christian but there is a picture of George Washington in the hall too...another high-ranking mason. It's probably best not to elevate men. If they are saved,they will receive reward from the Lord.
Proverbs 4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:
5 Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.
6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
7 Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.
8 Open thy mouth for the dumb in the cause of all such as are appointed to destruction.
Which part of this no longer applies? We don't lose judgment any more?
They didn't dilute wine with many more parts water then?
And,everything is fine to put in our mouths to eat,drink or smoke then? I know one thing, Christians who drink can't point the finger or blame others who use other drugs or intoxicants. At the very least,they are hypocrites. At the most,they are poor examples.
Nobody is twisting or coercing dark skinned mothers to abort. They do so because of their sinful nature just as fair skinned women. Why is Jim the object of so much disdain? He must be hitting a nerve? We are new creatures in Christ. While we may not be sinless, we don't follow a pattern of sin as we did when we were lost. It goes against the desires of our new heart.
Wow. How is this different from drinking coffee? Really? To understand the new wine, one must understand the blood of the new covenant. Interesting how those who want to defend foolish things are blinded by the truth.
Why would fermented wine be a picture of that which is unleavened?
How does one glorify and give thanks to God with things that are intoxicating? Why don't you just light up a doobie then? That will be next...not long down the road. Churches will be offering pot with the Word.
Do we not eat the bread with the common denominator of being in the covenant by his blood (the cup) every time we break His bread and proclaim His death? I think that the focus of the natural supercedes and clouds that which was meant to be spiritual. People will always have a way to defend their sins. ...Wine is still a mocker and strong drink is raging. Not to look upon the wine when it is red meant that it wasn't considerably diluted in a time of poor water purification. No one drinks it like that. What they do drink would be considered strong drink because of the alcohol content...even a glass of beer.
Jesus was not a Nazarite; He was from Nazarene. Again...wine is a mocker...pretty definitive. I don't know many people who drink sweet dessert alcohol... Again..the buzz,seems to be the draw. In these discussions, I can see how many are deceived by it. How many Christians have poor testimonies because they drink or smoke? How many of their relatives or associates are negatively affected? Then how does one who drinks try to witness to their associates or family members who are addicts? The church is quickly becoming much like the world. The line of distinction is becoming narrower.
The church of Corinth was not the example after which Christians would do well to follow. For those who think that they are not a stumbling block by drinking out, you may want to consider if you are a stumbling block to your family when you drink in. I often wondered if anyone would drink alcohol if it did not give them a buzz. I have never known of anyone to take their first drink of the stuff and say "yummy!". Everyone had to acquire a "taste" for it. Further, how does one dance around "wine is a mocker"? If priests and kings were not to drink it, why would would the King of kings and those who are a royal priesthood? btw...always seeing the ill effects of alcohol use at my apartment. I cringe when folidays come around and people have more time on their hands to imbibe. Why would Christians want to contribute or partake of something that is so detrimental to society as a whole?
But Frank...Christians are not to be stumbling blocks either. It's difficult for a drinking "Christian" or Christian to avoid that. And, culture, of course, is no standard as to what is Biblical. I would venture to say that if it is mainstream and connected with revelry then it usually is no good at all. And, if alcohol is fair game, why not every other intoxicant? That's why the country is going to pot.
Youth- Maybe the preceding verse would offer an explanation.
Job 1:5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.
Wine is not always alcohol in the Bible, John...that Jesus turned water into wine is not to say that it was alcoholic.
Diligent study of the Word answers the question and culture nor opinion ever trumps that. Wine is a mocker. period...not can be..
They are both on the same side and isn't it good public relations for onservatives and Christians,after all? I would be more concerned about that which appears to support Christianity but is dark than that which is overtly dark. In the end, even the very elect shall be deceived.
It's funny how the One who is supposed to be honored is done so with revelry,indulgence and waste...maybe a nominal prayer and entertaining church program. I wonder how many people would still celebrate "christmas" if there were no gifts,festivity,sports or many idle days preceding and following the day. Following after the way of a heathen may be done with "good" motives but it is still following thereafter no matter what it's called.
Traditions die hard if they die at all...probably why we were warned to not follow them. I think that your analogy is very poor, Plain. No one attaches Christ to a turkey sandwich. christmas, however, is very much connected with Roman Catholicism.If you are un-catholic, how would anyone know? You parrot their words, speaking of birds. The world and Roman Catholics love christmas and so do you. They all love Jesus this time of the year? No. They all serve other gods. The problems with americans is that truth is subjective. No wonder there is so much confusion. Going along with anything but what is true is a lie. You know for a fact that 12/25 is not recorded in the Bible as the birth of Christ.Our Father is not the father of lies nor should His children follow after satan. The Word had no beginning.
To Plain- I guess the problem is going along with the Roman Catholics to that end. You do realize that their eucharist is at the crux of christmas and there would be no christmas without it? Would you have followed suit after witches? Oh wait, that's what we have essentially done. The RCs stole it from them. Truth is not open to private interpretation. Truth is not subjective. When RC s say "merry christmas", it is all about the perpetual re-offering up of Christ as the eternal victim. Why do you join in? It's their expression. Why do we insist upon putting Christ back in the manger? ...hmm..kinda like sticking Him back on the cross..very RC. The Bible says that we are to proclaim his death until He returns..not his birth.
christmas came from the Roman Catholics. If they didn't "christianize" an existing pagan celebration, Christians wouldn't be celebrating it today. That's pretty basic. I give you the benefit of the doubt as to your naivete regarding it but Scripture does not allow for esteeming a Roman Catholic "holy day" any day. We certainly wouldn't make up a so-called holy day and borrow terms like "coven" or use swatiskas and attach the name Jesus or Christ to them even if we meant well in so doing.